CAN WE SUCCEED IN IRAQ?

Yes we can!

Posted by Tim B. on 02/29/2008 at 07:07 AM
    1. Well at least the Germans are finally pulling their weight.

      Posted by Habib on 2008 02 29 at 07:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. But, but, what about the 650,000 million innocent Iraqi civilians who died as a direct result of George Bush’s ILLEGAL Oil War, finishing off what Daddy Bush started on behalf of his Halliburton mates.

      What happens when the remaining Baby Killer troops are sent home?

      What about the troops plundering all of Iraq’s most valuable antiquities from all their museums and art galleries?

      Oh, BTW Habib, the Kraut kinder is in Afghanistan, not Iraq.  Don’t get me started on Afghanistan, with the complete economic anihilation of that country’s most important cash-crop.

      I’m really pissed off about this ILLEGAL war for oil.  It’s all about the oil, you see.  When Bu$hitler ILLEGALLY invaded Iraq on behalf of his Halliburton cronies, oil was rapidly approaching $40 a barrel.

      We fixed that up, didn’t we, and secured once again a blood-splattered supply of cheap oil.

      Oh….

      Posted by Kaboom on 2008 02 29 at 07:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. The Iraqi people will be pleased.
      The other side <Insert: names of the usual suspects> will be displeased.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 29 at 07:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #2 kaboom; I’d like to get you started on afghanistan. As for iraq, I’ve just bought some condos on the water which I’ll be renting out for highly inflated prices to un personnel. There are more ways than one of making a killing. Keep up your outrage. You know what they say, any publicity is good publicity.

      Posted by cohenite on 2008 02 29 at 08:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. But thats terrible, think of the wave of instability that will sweep the region if residents of other theocratic regimes and tyrannies see Iraq succeeding?

      Regimes will be shaken, and the old order of corruption,extortion and state repression of their own people will be at risk (If your a lefty just call all that “culture” and its easier to defend).

      They may be at risk even if the US doesnt intervene!!
      A terrible outcome for all red died proggressives everywhere.

      /head tilt

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 29 at 08:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. Cohenite, you really don’t want to get me started on Afghanistan.

      Do you realise how many Afghani peasants and camel-jockeys are starving because of the disruption to the pre-winter poppy season?

      All Prince Harry’s fault, of course, the German/Bu$hitler Bildeberger link.  Think about it.

      Cohenite – you are not a Palestinian by any chance?

      Posted by Kaboom on 2008 02 29 at 08:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Even if it was a mistake to go in, it would be a worse mistake to pull out before the job is done. No thanks to the usual suspects.

      Posted by Rafe on 2008 02 29 at 08:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. #7 No doubt about it.  When you’re stuck in a hole, keep digging.  Call it a tunnel.  Say there’s light at the end.  We shall return.

      On the other hand, ALL political parties in Australia now favout the withdrawal of combat troops.  Iran seems to be doing real well in the regional power stakes.  Turkey want to start a war with the Kurds.  And the killing continues.

      Bush and his neo-cons will be the same as HoWARd.  Six weeks after they’re gone, no-one will even remember their names.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 08:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla!  You’re out of jail!  Well done, my man!

      Did you share a cell with someone called Bubba?

      Posted by Kaboom on 2008 02 29 at 08:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Kaboom!  I was in a dorm with Mohammed Ali.  Not THE Mohammed Ali, but an Indonesian fisherman.  Along with Jim Dowling and six other guys.  Bubba must have been elsewhere.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 08:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hmmm… must have been crowded on the twin bunk beds….

      Posted by Kaboom on 2008 02 29 at 08:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. and smelly!

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 08:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. I thought you were in the lockup, Bryla?

      Anyway, as for pulling out of Iraq, I think it’s a foolish move as it shows the Coalition up as the weak horse in the race.

      I’m tired of prancing around worrying about upsetting the luvvies when we all know that (in general) they have no idea of what is really going on in the world outside their cafe.

      Pulling out will embolden Iran and other regimes in the area which is just what we don’t need.

      I want our troops home as much as anyone, but they have a job to do and should be allowed to do it properly.

      As for Harry over in Afghanistan, I say well done. He has never been shy about saying he wanted to fight with his men.

      I think he’d make a better king than the mufti-in-waiting, Charlie.

      No wonder the Queen won’t abdicate.

      Long live the Queen!

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 29 at 08:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. I love the comments over at the Telegraph.

      Lots of support for Harry.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 29 at 08:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. Was it a fishy smell?

      Irrespective, I’m still right for a night of fine philosophical argument (and lots of beer) next time I’m in FNQ.

      Posted by Kaboom on 2008 02 29 at 08:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. #15 Sure thing, although I’ve got to warn you i don’t touch alcohol, preferring other intoxicants.  I’m happy to rave (some say I do nothing else) but if you get too drunk I’ll bail.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 08:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #13 Nilknarf, the Coaslition isn’t weak.  It’s brutal and stupid!

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 08:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. #16 Bryla:  Posting bail at the Cairns Watch-house can be an expensive exercise.  Thank you for your kind offer!

      Posted by Kaboom on 2008 02 29 at 09:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. It’s the perception of weakness that counts, Bryla, not the actual reality of weakness or not.

      Militarily, the US and her allies can pretty much kick the crap out of everyone else, but unfortunately there are those in Congress who have demanded that the forces comply with their ill-informed ideals on how warfare should be conducted.

      They seem to have missed the newsflash that not everyone wants to hold hands, and there are people out there who want to kill most of us, convert a few of us, and keep some as slaves.

      Dialogue doesn’t work with everyone, and some people need a serious kick in the pants.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 29 at 09:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. 8; All wars, struggles etc are quagmires until a victory. Your solution? Just give up. It’s too hard. “And the killing continues.” Killing always continues. Better that Saddam did his killing in secret, right? It must have been, you never said anything about it. “…and Jesus sayeth, “just lie down and die quietly, ‘cause we don’t want a war, do we?”

      Posted by dean martin on 2008 02 29 at 09:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla. You’re back and it seems like you’ve been pulling the pud even more than usual.

      That’s what playing God as a human does to yourself.

      If you are really serious about Iraq…go and stand with the Al-queda and against the good boys fighting the good fight.

      If you have the courage to do that…instead of the wanky gutless Australian thing …you might finally impress me that you have real courage. Otherwise fuck off you’re the personification of everything I consider to be grossly piss poor. Cairns cabbie.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 29 at 09:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. Nilknarf, the misadventure in Iraq has shown everyone in the world that, while the US cam kick the crap out of many, they can’t force a people to comply with US policy.  Kicking the crap out cannot build peace or security.

      Having exposed the limits of force, the US is now displaying the limits of domestic unity.

      President Obama will have a chance to display the limits of niceness.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 09:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bush and his neo-cons will be the same as HoWARd.  Six weeks after they’re gone, no-one will even remember their names.

      Howard left office on 3 December 2007. Where I’m sitting it’s 29 February 2008. That’s more than six weeks later, and you’re still talking about Howard.

      Having exposed the limits of force, the US is now displaying the limits of domestic unity.

      WTF are you talking about? We’re having an election; you may have noticed we have them every four years.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2008 02 29 at 09:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla.

      How do you explain the thousands who have died at the hands of fascist islamists in Iraq. Is that a fault of the US when the clothheads kill their own.

      Innocent Afghanis who die at the hands of the Taliban.

      Innocent Pakistanis bombed by radicals.

      Idiots like you are silent on the facts.

      You use stats that suit your predetermined desires.

      Your imbecilic emotions stare down the same dumb corridors.

      What motivates you?

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 29 at 09:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. Rubbish, Bryla.

      Obama will roll over and expose his tummy for this handlers to rub.

      The guy has no experience, no policies (apart from universal healthcare for all, cutting greenhouse gas emissions oh, and cutting funding for the US defence forces) and plays the racial card far too often for my liking.

      His wife is finally proud of her country; like we need a fullblown, out of the closet racist in the White House?

      Way to unite the country, Obama.

      Being nice does not win you friends, nor does it influence your enemies to treat with you nicely.

      Especially in the current political climes.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 29 at 09:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. #23 When the Democrats won the House and Senate, the stage was set for military withdrawal in Iraq.

      McCain cannot hold the centre of his own party, let alone the great unwashed.  Clinton and Obama compete to end US military engagement in Iraq.

      By mid 2009, US troops in Iraq will be just a bitter memory, while the Pentagon plays with space toys and pretends to be Darth Vader.

      Those are the limits of US domestic unity behind illegal, immoral and futile war.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 09:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla,

      The Coalition does not follow the Russian strategy of killing everything that might kill them.  It first subdues the antagonists, brings stability, creates working relationships, builds infrastructure, and finally builds a domestic governance that can take over the governing of their own country.

      My objection is that this didn’t happen witin one year of it starting.  I want Iraq to be Switzerland (and I’m including chocolate factories) and I want it now.

      Posted by wronwright on 2008 02 29 at 09:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. By mid 2009, US troops in Iraq will be just a bitter memory

      And everything will be fine then.  Jihadi style terrorism will just … go … away.

      Bryla, you’re 51 years old now.  It’s time to put away the en vogue leftist idealism we all had in the Seventies and get a grasp on reality.

      Posted by wronwright on 2008 02 29 at 09:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla. I’m struggling to work out who abused you the most. Besides yourself.

      But considering your age and the fact that you’re suffering from an ongoing affliction, I’m assuming you’re the main perpetrator.

      You must learn to sleep and keep your hands above the sheets.

      You live in a wonderful state of denial and ignorance. (read stupidity)

      You have a knowledge of peripheral sensing at best.

      Supported by other like sufferers you lurch forward believing in things special that take you out of your modest surrounds.

      You think you possess something intellectually shiny. It’s not true!!!!

      It’s not happening Bryla.

      Please consider this theory so we all don’t have to pay the price of your next stint in one of our Queen’s jails.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 29 at 09:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla,

      Leaving Iraq should not be an option. If we leave now, the insurgents are going to continue to make life difficult for the rest of those living in Iraq, quality of life will not continue to improve, safety will not improve, and the insurgents will become even bolder and will form the idea that they are above everyone else, which is an ideal they already have, despite how stupid it is.

      Your belief in “cut and run” is placing the lives of millions of people in danger.

      Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 29 at 10:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla , perhaps you should seek another reefer dealer. I think your current supplier is adulterating your smoke.
      Shorter version; You’ve lost your f**king mind.
      President Obama,eh. You giving odds on that?

      Posted by greene on 2008 02 29 at 10:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. Fuck me deaad.  Why are the Poms withdrawing Lt Wales!?

      If he wants to be there, so be it.  Let him stay.  If he gets shot, he gets shot.  That’s part of the deal.

      I reckon the Poms are less afraid of Harry being killed than they are of the aftermath of such an event in which towns like Oldham, Burnley, Bradford and Bedford turn into an intercommunal warzone.

      Posted by murph on 2008 02 29 at 10:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. #23 When the Democrats won the House and Senate, the stage was set for military withdrawal in Iraq.

      BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

      Bryla, you’re just as stupid as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi….who have consistently FAILED to pass a single piece of legislation to achieve their clearly stated goal of pulling US troops out of Iraq.

      That’s F. A. I. L. E. D., Bryla.  FAILED.  Even with nominal Dhimmicratic control of Congress, they have FAILED in that single goal.

      Indeed, they’ve pretty much failed in all their goals.  But that’s another story.

      I’m sure that your usual overindulgence of those “other intoxicants”, in addition to your usual narcissism, will continue to blind you to reality.

      So, please, continue with your posing and prancing, and push your normal wankfest.  Leaving Iraq will happen only if a bunch of losers (i.e., the Dhimmitcrats) gain control of the White House.  That remains a distinct possibility.

      But that remains up to the US voters, and not stoned idiots like you.  And I have faith that the majority of Americans are not as stupid as you and your fellow morons.  Just as they rejected John Effing Kerry in 2004, I suspect that they will make the good choice in 2008….and reject the Dhimmicrats for the White House, be it The Messiah™ or Billary.

      And, I’ll be damned, reassurance comes from

      the oddest places.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 10:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. When the Democrats won the House and Senate, the stage was set for military withdrawal in Iraq.

      And yet they won’t cut the funding. They have that power, but won’t use it.

      Those are the limits of US domestic unity behind illegal, immoral and futile war.

      It’s not illegal, not immoral, and not futile. But thanks for trying—good thing you found an idiot judge to spring you, eh?

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2008 02 29 at 10:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. #34 That’s a panel of 3 idiot judges Rob, including the Chief Idiot, who ruled unanimously that the trial judge had erred in law and produced a miscarriage of justice.  It was our imbecile QC who persuaded them, right after the true and honorable Commonwealth QC was told politely to fuck off and mind his own business.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 10:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. #28 “It’s time to …..get a grasp on reality”.

      I couldn’t agree more wronwright.  The Dhimmocrats are pretty pathetic in the face of that powerful executive.  I spose they think if they bring on a fight they may rescue the Presidency for the Republicans.

      After McCain loses, and the war elephants start squabbling among themselves, a troop withdrawal on Presidential orders will cause barely a ripple in the pond.

      I don’t know that it’s the path I’d choose, but it’s London to a brick the path that will be followed.

      Really.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 10:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, Bryla, I suppose we can let you have your little success, considering how badly your erstwhile comrades in the US Congress are getting bitch slapped by reality.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 10:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. #23 When the Democrats won the House and Senate, the stage was set for military withdrawal in Iraq.

      The Dhimmocrats are pretty pathetic in the face of that powerful executive.

      Changed your tune pretty quick, huh, Bryla?  Must be some heap powerful medicine that you’re stuff up your nose.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 10:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. That should be “stuffing”.  But with Bryla, it’s all about quantity, not quality, so he won’t mind, I’m sure.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 10:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Let us know when—and if—you make it out of grammar school, Kaboom. Either that or learn to tune your sarcasm so more people get the joke. Whichever it is, you leave the impression you actually believe the verbal pus you squirted all over this thread in #2.
      And nobody’s that stupid, right?

      Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2008 02 29 at 10:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. Gary from Jersey, I’m pretty certain Kaboom was being facetious.  Check the very last word in the post, that’s a clue.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 02 29 at 11:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. mehaul wrote:

      Bryla.

      How do you explain the thousands who have died at the hands of fascist islamists in Iraq. Is that a fault of the US when the clothheads kill their own.

      Innocent Afghanis who die at the hands of the Taliban.

      Innocent Pakistanis bombed by radicals.

      Idiots like you are silent on the facts.

      No, they usually blame the USA, saying we “made” the psychopaths do it.

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 02 29 at 11:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla

      Should Hussein Obama, get his ass elected. Please do apply for a visa to the U.S.

      You see, you will be the first gift to the Magi of the Islamic world. In doing so, Hussein Obama will be seen as a true Piece Maker.

      Posted by El Cid on 2008 02 29 at 11:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, and I think we should all give Bryla a compassionate head-tilt in sympathy for him since the charges were dropped, IIRC, he was eager to get jailed for the whole martyrdom thing it had going for him.

      *tilt*

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 02 29 at 11:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. That’s a panel of 3 idiot judges Rob, including the Chief Idiot, who ruled unanimously that the trial judge had erred in law and produced a miscarriage of justice.

      I stand corrected—but at least you agree they were idiots for letting you get away with your crime.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2008 02 29 at 01:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla, hey!  Glad to see you’re out of pokey!

      I wrote to you shortly on your blog before the big trial.  I think some of the misunderstandings you have about the US political situation are cultural.

      In many countries, maybe most of them, elections are held when the party in power thinks they can best win reelection, or when the opposition thinks they can best win.  In the US, it’s by the calendar.  November of years divisible by four.  So, in the US, the fact of an election is not a reflection of domestic unity or disunity – it just means it’s 2008!

      Also, the Congress absolutely has the power to cut off funding for a war – they did so in Vietnam.  Nothing the President, “that powerful executive,” can do about it.

      Also, if the Democrats are scared that cutting off that funding will put a Republican in the White House, then they must not be convinced that the American people really want us to cut and run.

      Posted by VKI on 2008 02 29 at 03:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. #22 bryla;

      Nilknarf, the misadventure in Iraq has shown everyone in the world that, while the US cam kick the crap out of many, they can’t force a people to comply with US policy.  Kicking the crap out cannot build peace or security.

      Well, that certainly explains the Anbar Awakening, al Qaeda in Iraq being pounded by locals who used to support them, and the demonstrated drop in attacks on Coalition forces (and Iraqis) over the past half year.

      Don’t get out much, do you?

      Posted by steveH on 2008 02 29 at 03:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. When the Democrats won the House and Senate, the stage was set for military withdrawal in Iraq.

      Odd, though, that once they were elected, they began backpeddling on their withdrawal rhetoric.

      Even the NY Times is beginning to admit that withdrawal now would be a Bad Idea(tm).

      You really don’t get out much, do you?

      Posted by steveH on 2008 02 29 at 03:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. VKI, steveH, I believe that Bryla is trying to convince himself that Iraq is lost, and that the troops will withdraw, more than convincing us.

      I can see him pounding furiously on the keyboard, sweating profusely, submitting those posts, all the while muttering, “Yes, we can!  Yes, we can!”

      In between hitting his favorite non-alcoholic intoxicant, I mean.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 03:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla, let me explain what is happening. The Democrats in Congress are not really interested in surrender/withdrawal in Iraq. They do not want to be blamed for the bloodbath that would result. They merely want to use the issue to bludgeon the President with. It’s just political points, you see. Not even the congressional Democrats (most of them, anyway) are that god damned stupid. Now please slap yourself. That’s a good commie.

      Posted by Latino on 2008 02 29 at 03:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. I sense another sympathetic head-tilt for Bryla coming…

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 02 29 at 03:55 PM • permalink

 

    1. I sense another sympathetic head-tilt for Bryla coming…

      *tilt*

      Howzat Patrick?

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 04:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, sooner or later reality will whack him in the head again and he’ll look all lost and confused, inspiring people to tilt their heads and go “awwwwwww…..”

      Or laugh, if they’re feeling cruel.

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 02 29 at 04:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. When the Democrats won the House and Senate, the stage was set for military withdrawal in Iraq.

      Yeah, just ask Senator Lamont.

      Oh, wait …

      Posted by Achillea on 2008 02 29 at 05:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. #17 The Coalition isn’t weak, brutal, or stupid. Just ask all those that have been freed. You won’t have to worry about the lock-up if you ever spout off to a member of the Coalition.

      BTW, were you able to get your cell mates to join in Kumbaya? How’d that work out?

      Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 02 29 at 05:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla, if by unwashed (#26) you mean folks like you, McCain’s not trying to. It’s only Barak Hussein Obama that is trying to sell the snake oil of unity. And fools are buying a bottle like they did a hundred years ago.

      Bet you’re really proud of the Democrat policy of cut and run. It worked real well in Vietnam, huh? Wonder why all those folks were trying to get on that last copter? Why they fled on rickety boats? Why those left behind were slaughtered by the your kinder/gentler Communist comrades.

      Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 02 29 at 06:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. Three cheer for Harry! He fought hard to go, and probably fought hard to stay. Wish I could buy him a pint!

      Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 02 29 at 06:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. BTW, Byla. It wasn’t an illegal war. Congress gave the okay.

      Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 02 29 at 06:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yeah, it’s going so bad that France is now rethinking its’ position, and may send troops. France…better late than never.

      Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 02 29 at 06:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. So did the United Nations, Deborah, with all of their resolutions pooh poohing Saddam’s ways, up until 2003.

      Except that they wouldn’t endorse the invasion when Coalition forces were poised along the Kuwait-Iraq boarder, because when it came down to brass tacks, they couldn’t support taking down a fellow dictator.

      But the UN did support it in spirit, and after the fact, especially after the General Assembly supported the continued presence of the Coalition when it recognized “…Britain and the United States as occupying powers…”,  and called “…on them to attempt to improve security and stability, and provide opportunities for the Iraqis to determine their political future.

      The United Nations said that.  In 2003.  A de facto approval of the war, after the fact.

      While I don’t hold the UN as any sort of moral or legal authority, Bryla and his idiot stoner buddies do.  Of course, they cherry pick their facts quite carefully, so I’m sure he’ll quickly dismiss this one.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 06:22 PM • permalink

 

    1. Correction, that was a Security Council resolution.  My bad.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 06:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Wow. What a turn-around. This will have the dems frothing at the mouth. They will have to re-educate all those rubes who have been suckered by corporate capitalist imperialist media

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 29 at 07:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. #13 Ms. Arbed,

      My hearty concurrance. God Save the Queen, long,verrryyy looonnng may she reign.

      Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 29 at 07:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. #58 Deborah Leigh

      Yes, but Saddam’s paid stooges at the UN did not. Therefore, in the minds (sic) of the international Left, illegal!

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 29 at 07:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. For those that wondered, no, Bryla really doesn’t get out much.  He’s too busy bravely climbing fences and mooning security guards so he can get free room and board.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 02 29 at 07:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. #58, #64, The US helped form the UN, and signed off on the UN Charter, which takes war-making out of the hands of individual states and puts it into the Security Council of the UN.

      When Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney declared unilateral war against Saddam on the most spurious of grounds (that had nothing to do with oil) they broke the UN Charter and engaged in international piracy.

      They can’t be held to account.  Since the abject failure of their policies we’ve heard endless twaddle about how “now we’ve made the mess we have to clean it up.  We made it with bombs.  We’ll clean it up with bombs.  Why?  Because we love killing.

      Still, don’t take my word for it.  Watch it unfold.

      The US people may be gullible in the short term but they are, by and large, much better human beings than thier leaders.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 07:53 PM • permalink

 

    1. #50 Latino.  Sounds very plausible.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 02 29 at 07:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. Since the abject failure of their policies we’ve heard endless twaddle about how “now we’ve made the mess we have to clean it up.  We made it with bombs.  We’ll clean it up with bombs.  Why?  Because we love killing.

      You’re a seriously disturbed person. Have you sought counseling?

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 2008 02 29 at 08:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. Members of the UN taking milions in bribes from Saddam Hussein to look the other way while he violates every provision of the ceasefire he signed is perfectly acceptable.

      We should all thank Saddam for one thing: he proved beyond any doubt that the United Nations is utterly corrupt and completely useless.

      Many of us already knew that, but some, like Bryla here, will never accept it.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 02 29 at 08:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. …The US helped form the UN, and signed off on the UN Charter, which takes war-making out of the hands of individual states and puts it into the Security Council of the UN.

      Uh huh, Bryla.  Which is why the members of the UNSC (e.g., France and Germany) voted against the resolution authorizing military action against Iraq on 7 March 2003…..and later voted for Resolution 1483, which accepted the results of the invasion.

      Which is why I can proclaim myself as The Seer of Blairistan for this prediction:

      Of course, they cherry pick their facts quite carefully, so I’m sure he’ll quickly dismiss this one.

      Enjoy your fantasy world, Bryla.  I know that you’re happier there.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 08:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. #27Wron: The Coalition does not follow the Russian strategy of killing everything that might kill them.

      It doesn’t?

      Bugger.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 29 at 09:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. #66. “The US helped form the UN, and signed off on the UN Charter, which takes war-making out of the hands of individual states and puts it into the Security Council of the UN”

      Okay, and what about all of those states which weren’t signatories?

      What about changes of governments in favour of hostile, expansionist regimes over democratic representation of the peasants?

      Let’s look at China and Tibet, shall we? A lot of warm and fuzzy feelings there, I reckon.

      How do you feel about China’s policies in Tibet, Bryla, and where does the UN stand on that particular little operation?

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 29 at 10:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. #72 NA. Give the old chook a few hours. On medical advice he has to deburp after his daily 6 course breakfast.

      He writes down all these points raised against him and then rushes off to his group chat exasperated. Pleading ‘what do I say to this one, and this one, and this one…’

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 29 at 10:13 PM • permalink

 

    1. LOL, mehaul!

      I don’t know if you read this thread not to long ago, but when Bryla was expounding on his “Jesus was a lawbreaker” drivel (starts here),  he actually passed on replying to a direct question because his “religious adviser” was out of town (here).

      When he FINALLY replied, he responded to a religious question in a debate about religion by quoting….himself.

      Oh, what a wonderful universe Bryla must live in!!!

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 02 29 at 10:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. #74 Thanks TRJS. After reading that I must add masochistic to his long line of descriptors.

      I think Bryla has reappeared now, so he can attract lots of flak, which he then prints off as fan mail.

      This will serve as reading matter to buoy his spirits, when he returns to the clink after his approaching Easter trip to Pine Gap.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 03 01 at 12:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. #74 Oh, what a wonderful universe Bryla must live in!!!

      It is called Utopia.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 03 01 at 12:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. I think Bryla has reappeared now, so he can attract lots of flak, which he then prints off as fan mail.

      I suppose we should make our questions and rebuttals more colorful, then.

      ;^)

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 01 at 01:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. To quote from the princess bride “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does”.

      “..The US people may be gullible in the short term but they are, by and large, much better human beings than their leaders. .”
      Which is why support for the war is increasing now?
      Nice own goal bucket bong boy.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 03 01 at 01:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. Since the 1991 Gulf War, fully authorized by the UN, did not end but was halted by a Truce, and since Iraq was in more or less violation of the Truce and of several other UN mandates, the fighting beginning in 2003 was merely a resumption of the authorized war in the face to those violations.  Hence, in every sense, a legal war.

      And of course those like bryla know this, they just get off on tweaking those who make it possible for them to live the life they like.  Quite probably it’s a psychological mechanism used to overcome their interior feelings of worthlessness due to, well, due to their worthlessness.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2008 03 01 at 01:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #32 Murph I don’t think they are worried about Harry getting shot.
      His fellow officers call him “The Bullet Magnet”.
      Since the New Idea broke his cover, al Qaeda has announced that they intend, with the help of Allah, to wipe out his regiment.

      Posted by Skeeter on 2008 03 01 at 03:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. I must give Bryla credit for at least being consistent in his (massively deluded) hatred of military action. What shits me even more is the type of lefty who rails against the US military being used to further US interests, but would have absolutely no problem with seeing American soldiers sent into any random hellhole on the planet under the UN banner.

      Posted by PW on 2008 03 01 at 04:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hope next time around security at Pine Gap is allowed to use lethal force.

      Posted by Habib on 2008 03 01 at 04:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. #81
      It seems most people have hatred of military action except when they are threatened.

      There is a danger that lessons might be drawn from the closing victorious years when everything was running smoothly, rather than from the difficult defensive early years. In 1947 Lord Tedder warned against this tendency. He said:
      The campaign is immensely simplified for a commander if he knows he can count on a blank cheque. Surely it is the problems of the early stages of the war which we should study. Those are the difficult problems; those are the practical problems which we and every democratic nation have to solve. There were no big battalions or blank cheques then. Here is the real and vital test of our defence policies. It is at the outset of war that time is the supreme factor.
      Lord Tedder, Air Power in War, p.25.

      quoted in Official Histories – Second World War Volume II – Air War Against Japan, 1943–1945 George Odgers Chapter 30 – The War Ends p.499

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 03 01 at 04:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bush the Builder,
      Can he fix it?
      Yes He can!

      Posted by Rob Read on 2008 03 01 at 05:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bryla’s a shameless self-publicist, serial moonbat acivist, and a guaranteed “please don’t feed the animals” thread elongator.
      Tres amusant, but hardly worth the trouble of a reply.
      But here goes: Bryan, please go help real people. Whenever I hear of you and your japes I know you are just stuffing around to no effect. Don’t bother telling me you also help people – just do it. The less I hear about you in court the more I’ll be convinced that your are on God’s work. And apologising to homosexuals does not qualify!

      Posted by blogstrop on 2008 03 01 at 06:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. #82 Habib, you’re a treasure.  I’ve already had disussions with the AFP and DoD, and there was no mention of lethal force.

      Do you really think the Rudd government wants a dead nonviolent activist?  The AFP will do what they’re told as per usual.

      #70 Jorg, Resolution 1440 resolved to keep the war decision as a Security Council matter.  The end of truce argument is mere piffle.

      Posted by Bryla on 2008 03 01 at 07:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. #85 blogstrop

      But here goes: Bryan, please go help real people. Whenever I hear of you and your japes I know you are just stuffing around to no effect. Don’t bother telling me you also help people – just do it.

      Oh, not exactly “no effect”: they are feeding their own egos, thankyouverymuch. That they are actually helping NO ONE is of little consequence, because they’re getting the attention they crave. It is malignant narcissism on parade.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 01 at 11:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Spiny Norman, exactly right.  Bryla is a worthless s**t, and he knows it, way deep down.

      But rather than stop being a worthless s**t, and simply help people, Bryla elects to pretend he’s doing work of world wide impact.  His terminal narcissism simply won’t allow him to do something where he’s not the center of attention.

      The easiest route for him to do so requires self-delusion and denial, because he must attack targets that aren’t threatening to him.  Narcissism, IMHO, requires a certain degree of cowardice.  “Self sacrifice” simply isn’t in the vocabulary of a narcissistic person.

      Ergo, Bryla focuses his hatred and aggression on safe targets: his own country, and Australia’s allies.  But to do so requires a degree of self-delusion that borders on (if not actually) mental illness.

      Bryla by himself would just be another crank walking down the streets of a city talking to himself and bothering people.  The problem is that there large numbers of these creatures out there.  It’s turning into an epidemic.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 01 at 12:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Re #81, PW, then this will boil your blood.

      Code Pink:  Bryla’s ideological fellow idiots.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 01 at 12:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. #89 T_R_JS

      If that doesn’t make your blood boil, this certainly will.

      The Bolsheviks have spoken, damnit.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 01 at 12:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. #67 Bryla, it bothered me that you might agree with me… but the difference between us is that I think it’s a bad thing that the Democrats politicize the war in order to seek power, while you believe it’s better than nothing.

      Posted by Latino on 2008 03 01 at 01:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. One of the best things about our military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan is that the leftist traitors are totally unable to do anything about it.  That makes slaughtering Talibaners, Baathists and assorted terrorist scum all the sweeter.

      Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 03 01 at 02:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Spiny, all I can say to that old fart in Berkeley is f**k the Bolsheviks.

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 01 at 02:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Succeeding? I suppose if we just keep paying the Sunni insurgents millions of dollars a month to leave us alone in perpetuity, then we’ll “win”.

      Posted by salvia on 2008 03 01 at 06:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. #94 – you mean the Taliban or al qaeda don’t “win” when they pay fighters to go on their side?

      Posted by blogstrop on 2008 03 01 at 08:54 PM • permalink

 

    1. Another cranky leftist fantasylander.

      Oh, joy!

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 01 at 09:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. So, salvia, you’d rather than Saddam Hussein and his cronies at the UN were sucking off billions from the corrupt oil-for-food program, eh?

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 01 at 11:13 PM • permalink

 

  1. 66

    The US helped form the UN, and signed off on the UN Charter, which takes war-making out of the hands of individual states and puts it into the Security Council of the UN.

    Yes, that’s why there haven’t been any wars since then.

    Posted by formerly Huck Foley on 2008 03 02 at 02:06 AM • permalink