BUSH ADMIRED/DESPISED

Robert Crum in the London Observer, earlier this year: “Today, by some margin, George W. Bush is the most despised figure in America.”

Gallup survey, this week: “President George W. Bush tops Gallup’s annual survey of the ‘most admired man’ for the fourth year in a row.”

Speaking of Dubya, he’s apparently bound for a heart attack, if you believe the latest IndyMedia theory.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/31/2004 at 02:44 AM
    1. Wait, is this the same America that likes yellow Hummers, Leann Rimes and the Monster Thickburger? I don’t know that being the “most admired man” in a lot of places is a good thing.
      Don’t agree? Go watch an episode of The Bachelor, then we’ll talk.

      Posted by Dudette on 2004 12 31 at 04:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ah, the old “Americans are retards” theory of politics. Worked real well for the lefties the last time out. Keep up the good work.

      BTW, in other nations, you’ll find people like things like European song contests (i.e., American Idol), wretched prime-time soap operas, loony conspiracy-theory books, David Hasselhoff, Jerry Lewis, and any other manner of lousy lowest-common-denominator entertainment. Lowbrow culture ain’t an American exclusive, toots. Lame popular shit is universal.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2004 12 31 at 04:22 AM • permalink

 

    1. In fairness to the Dickensian-named Crum, I’m fairly sure a “Most Despised Man” survey would also put GW in the top spot. I don’t agree, I’m just saying.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2004 12 31 at 04:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks Dave, but it’s hard to respect the opinions of a group that wants to give Paris Hilton a tax cut.

      Posted by Dudette on 2004 12 31 at 04:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. The two statements (“most despised” and “most admired”) may both be true.  The left seems to despise Bush with a passion unmatched by, for example, the right’s more calm dislike of Kerry.  Maybe Michael Moore was more despised before the election, but now he’s just pathetic.

      Posted by Jim on 2004 12 31 at 04:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. And it’s hard to respect the opinion of an individual who thinks college-sophomore-level snarkiness and quips are legitimate substitutes for thought and argument. Really, dudette, address the issue you raised – are Americans any more enamored of lowbrow culture than anyone else?

      BTW, yes, I want to give Paris Hilton a tax cut, thought I don’t recall anyone here advocating that recently (got a date I can find it at in the archives?) I want to give EVERYONE a tax cut.

      Posted by Dave S. on 2004 12 31 at 04:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Maybe Michael Moore was more despised before the election”

      I don’t think, despite MM’s pretensions of importance, that most people even know who he is.

      “but now he’s just pathetic.”

      Seems chastened, doesn’t he? I hoped he’d fade into obscurity, but he’s filming his next hatchet job now – an attack on the pharmaceutical industry, I think.  Think he’ll find time to mention how many lives these eeeevil, greeeedy corporations save every year?

      Posted by Dave S. on 2004 12 31 at 04:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Today, by some margin, George W. Bush is the most despised figure in America.” OK, European left-leaning literatti interviews American left-leaning literatti and concludes everyone that “matters” loathes George Bush. And he got paid to do it. Well, Dubya’s in good company: Reagan was reviled by the same self-important wankers 20 years ago.

      Just so everyone knows, Paris Hilton is a Trust Fund baby, and pays no taxes whatsoever… and likely voted for John Kerry (if she bothered to vote).

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2004 12 31 at 05:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. She’s also got a great video…

      It’s the only Paris I’d like to visit (but then I allways had poor taste in women)

      Posted by Rob Read on 2004 12 31 at 05:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, if Bush should have a heart attack and die, I’d be ready for 2008.  My Christmas present from my wife was a “Cheney/Cthulhu ‘08” t-shirt.  That should put the lefties in an uproar.

      Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2004 12 31 at 06:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. Sounds like the old “no one I know voted for Bush, therefore….” reasoning, carried over to “no one I know likes Bush, therefore…”.

      These people need to get out into the real world occasionally.

      Posted by rinardman on 2004 12 31 at 06:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks Dave, but it’s hard to respect the opinions of a group that wants to give Paris Hilton a tax cut.<BR><BR>I’d be amused to see Hilton’s tax returns, given that in the end, under the “progressive” system that’s been constructed, the rich often have more loopholes available to them than our so-called “poor” (who are still among the world’s wealthiest).<BR><BR>Just so everyone knows, Paris Hilton is a Trust Fund baby, and pays no taxes whatsoever… and likely voted for John Kerry (if she bothered to vote).<BR><BR>And there we go. Hilton doesn’t need a tax cut, she needs a spanking. (Pause for effect.) Seriously, though, dudette, what have you got against successful people that you wish them an unfair proportion of society’s burden?

      Posted by Aaron – Free Will on 2004 12 31 at 06:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. Arrrgh. I keep using HTML and expecting it to work!!! Aarrrgghh!!!

      Posted by Aaron – Free Will on 2004 12 31 at 06:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. I wonder why Dudette bothers to post here since she freely admits to having trouble respecting the opinions of others who post, based on a lousy strawman argument, to boot. Dave’s “college sophomore-level” assessment sounds just about right to me.

      Posted by PW on 2004 12 31 at 08:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. You know, they could well be right about the defibrillator.  I know, it’s shocking, that a nearly 60-year-old American might have some device in place to monitor and improve his health; I certainly don’t know of anything like that in my own family—oh, dad, you stay there, you’re still recovering from the plastic hip, now where did I put my Lipitor.  Anyway, they could be right about that…

      …and they’d still be grotesquely unseemly in all the speculations that they draw from it.  If every middle-aged guy in Bush’s shape was that close to death and derangement, they wouldn’t be able to hold a football game because the stands would look like Dawn of the Dead.  We need a new name for this kind of idiocy: “wishful diagnosis,” maybe.

      Posted by Mike G on 2004 12 31 at 08:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. There is no doubt a defibrillator somewhere in the vicinity of President Bush, because he is the most powerful man in the world, after all.  They’ve probably had one near one president or another since the thing was invented.  However, I doubt Mr. Bush has anything implanted, or is doddering about on his last legs.  If he was, I’m quite sure the Secret Service guys wouldn’t be letting him clear brush off his property, president or not.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2004 12 31 at 09:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Also, since I am expected to both admire and despise the man, I’ve decided on a system of alternate days.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2004 12 31 at 09:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. It is actually quite simple.

      Bush is detested by the evil, vile, and shallow, as well as other people outside of the Kennedy family compound.

      Nice people who are kind to animals and small children and plan on going to heaven, admire him.

      Where’s the conflict? 😉

      Posted by Confederate Yankee on 2004 12 31 at 10:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. Suspect it’s pretty much the same for John H in this country, although most Australians are fortunately too laid back and tolerant to hate much.

      Probably wishful thinking on the part of the Indymedia lot more than anything.

      As for Paris, all that can be said is that she represents everything I wish I could be, and, like, you know, like want to be, like, you know now.

      Give her a tax cut just for brightening up our work-a-day lives.

      Posted by Major Anya on 2004 12 31 at 10:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. Aaron: you don’t need to put a line-break* space tag in the comments. Simply hitting the enter key twice will make breaks between paragraphs.

      Dudette: be civil or get your account suspended. First warning is final.

      *Corrected

      Posted by Andrea Harris on 2004 12 31 at 10:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Speaking of des-picable- Kofi on news yesterday (3 days late)-“is interrupting his holiday to return……

      Posted by crash on 2004 12 31 at 11:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. Mike G

      “You know, they could well be right about the defibrillator.”

      Not at all; that’s his bullet-proof vest. Yes, I’m not surprised that he would be wearing one at all times. Sad, but that’s the world we live in.

      Besides, George Bush might be the most physically fit president ever.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2004 12 31 at 11:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. However, I doubt Mr. Bush has anything implanted, or is doddering about on his last legs. If he was, I’m quite sure the Secret Service guys wouldn’t be letting him clear brush off his property, president or not.

      It was plastic brush.

      Posted by PW on 2004 12 31 at 11:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. dearest dopette,
      i wouldn’t give paris hilton a “t*x-c*t” with your d*ck.

      p.s. happy new year to you and the rest of the kozkidz!!!

      Posted by guinsPen on 2004 12 31 at 02:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. DaveD � He’s not chastened, he’s drugged to the eyeballs.  He decided to do his next epos� about the drug industry when he found out how much his Xanax prescription was going to cost him…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2004 12 31 at 02:30 PM • permalink

 

    1. I don’t see why its impossible to believe Bush could be the most admired and most hated man in America.

      Every time I surf the internet, I find people who consider Bush to be more evil than Hitler, Satan and Kenny G. I also find people who defend every single decision he has ever made as President (including giving a Medal of Freedom to George Tenent). A few people are ambivilent about Bush, but most either strongly admire or strongly despise him. And EVERY American has an opinion. And a pretty strong one at that.

      Consider this: You’re probably talking about a poll that asks each respondant to volunteer an answer. Respondants by definition would have to pick somebody they know of and have a strong opinion about. The President of the US fits that description better than anybody else in the Country.

      By the way, I suspect this was also the case with Bill Clinton when he was President.

      Posted by Sean P on 2004 12 31 at 02:40 PM • permalink

 

    1. Hey, go easy on Paris

      Posted by rog on 2004 12 31 at 02:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ah, monster thickburgers in the front seat of my Hummer and LeAn on the CD player… life is good.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2004 12 31 at 03:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. i think getting a hummer from LeAn while eating a monster thickburger might be better…

      Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2004 12 31 at 03:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. n*ke paris!

      Posted by guinsPen on 2004 12 31 at 03:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Sean, I find it hard to believe that there is really anyone who thinks Bush is more evil than Kenny G.

      At least it would have to be a tie.

      😉

      Posted by Teri on 2004 12 31 at 04:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. An example of how Bush’s actions can cause him to be admired by some and, at the same time, despised by others:

      “The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia would coordinate the world�s response.
      But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that role should be left to the UN.
      �I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,� she said.
      �Only really the UN can do that job,� she told BBC Radio Four�s PM programme.
      �It is the only body that has the moral authority.”

      I read that the US, Australia, Japan, and India had joined forces to coordinate relief efforts. Thought it was a great idea. I didn’t know this coalition was meant to coordinate the efforts for the entire world and would be competition for UN efforts.

      I think the UN is less than useless and the sooner we get rid of them the better, so if this ticks off the UN, so much the better. Bush gets high marks from me for this. (What moral authority does the UN have?!!)

      However, people who love the UN would view Bush’s role in this aid coalition as something to despise him for.

      High marks for Bush from UN haters, low marks from UN lovers.

      To read the entire article:
      Bush Undermining UN with Aid Coalition

      (via Sortapundit via Drudge)

      Posted by CJosephson on 2004 12 31 at 04:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. Just on the defibrillator thing: I haven’t been to the US for about 15 years but visited twice in the last couple of months. And the thing that struck me (coming from Hong Kong) was how many bloddy defibrillators there were everywhere. All over the airport for one, and then I saw them everywhere. I’d never seen a defibrillator outside a hospital before. I wish I was making the damned things!

      Posted by Hanyu on 2004 12 31 at 05:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. That would be “bloddy” defibrillators, not bloddy defibrillators – which are entirely different.

      Posted by Hanyu on 2004 12 31 at 05:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. Is this site messing with my spelling or what?? BLOODY defibrillators. Okay? I’m watching you this time…

      Posted by Hanyu on 2004 12 31 at 05:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. I hope Michael Moore DOESN’T fade into obscurity – he’s one of the best assets conservatives have to win over moderates, even though it’s annoying having to listen to his offensive views.

      I was in Reno, NV when he made that stupid “shame on you, Mr Bush” comment and the politically uncommitted family I was visiting at the time were considerably more conservative after that comment than before it.  He convinces only the already convinced and pisses off everybody else.

      Bush is undoubtedly a polarising figure, as were Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.  Conservatives think he’s one of them, despite huge spending increases in his first term.  Liberals hate him, because he hardly even pretends to care, unlike his predecessor.  They’re both right and wrong simultaneously.

      Posted by PJ on 2004 12 31 at 05:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. he hardly even pretends to care, unlike his predecessor

      pj,
      ? please amplify.

      Posted by guinsPen on 2004 12 31 at 05:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. rosceo � considered that one, but I’m just too elegant and noo-anced to go there…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2004 12 31 at 06:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. hummer good. elegance bad.

      Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2004 12 31 at 07:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. Damn it, PW, you just made me laugh out loud!  And yes, I’m at work!

      What makes it especially tricky is that the work I am supposedly doing is cleaning weapons.  So now I have to either admit that I’m goofing off or claim that handling weapons makes me laugh.

      For some reason, people get uncomfortable if their armorer quotes Vincent D’Onofrio in Full Metal jacket.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2004 12 31 at 10:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. Incidentally, Dudette, this is also the same America that likes the Prius, Kiri TeKanawa, and tofu smoothies.  So what’s your point?  That some Americans do things you don’t care for?

      Stop the presses.

      Here’s a clue: some of them do things I don’t care for, either.  But you know one of the things that really frosts my cookies?  It’s sneering supercilious bigots.

      Like you, for example.  I hope that hating us has enriched your life.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2004 12 31 at 10:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Oh, and Andrea, I’m with hanyu on the spelling thing.  My spelling’s much better in real life than it shows up in these comments.

      Also, I am taller, wittier, and better looking in real life than in these comments.  Please make whatever fixes are needed to the code.

      Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2004 12 31 at 10:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. Why are you getting so worked up about this small tsunami thing.

      The EU is riding to the rescue.

      Look at the proof, EU foreign ministers are having an emergency meeting “early next month”!

      This meeting will decide that the tsunami was “a bad thing” and “something must be done”; I’m sure the working party can decide as early as easter how best to feed those currently starving.

      The US has ONLY sent two carrier groups, but the EU has ALREADY planned a meeting!  I know it’s one-upmanship but it makes me proud to live in the EUSSR.

      P.S. I am sure the EU will be sending their carrier groups ASAP to this disaster; just as soon as they are built or repaired enough to survive seawater!

      Posted by Rob Read on 2005 01 01 at 01:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. Off topic – few champers on board , it is New Year’s ! 7pm ABC news, still criticism of U.S. contribution to Disaster appeal. Stars Lisa Millar in Washington, taking the baton from Leigh Sales. 7.30 Report reprise of 2004 miseries starring the US..Especially Abu Graeb featured (serves you right perhaps a smidgeon). However Kofi is “satisfied ” so far with international contributions… by gosh. So that’s all right then. Followed by repeat of Glass House Awards Bush and Howard bashing relieved only by the sensational revelations of the Tai Kwan Do gold medal winner concerning her stolen vibrators and the resultant fascination of the men hosting….. Now I’ve got your attention?

      Posted by crash on 2005 01 01 at 04:08 AM • permalink

 

  1. Bush good.  Kofi bad.  Paris yummy.  Thanks for letting me share.

    P.S. I’m also taller, wittier, and a better speller in real life.

    Posted by comeback on 2005 01 02 at 02:40 AM • permalink