ABDUL THE UNEMPLOYABLE

More Australian intolerance:

Australia’s 22 terror suspects and their families receive more than $1 million a year in taxpayer-funded welfare and legal aid.

And simply because the men were locked up, their families received a social security pay rise of as much as $1700 a year.

One of the jailed Melbourne men, Abdul Nacer Benbrika—leader of a radical group of Islamists—has been in Australia for 10 years and has never had a job.

Taxpayers provide his wife with almost $50,000 a year in welfare.

As Mark Steyn wrote in 2001: “If you’re looking for ‘root causes’ for terrorism, European-sized welfare programs are a good place to start.”

Posted by Tim B. on 05/29/2006 at 01:21 AM
    1. “If you’re looking for ‘root causes’ for terrorism, European-sized welfare programs are a good place to start.”

      We all get told time and again how harsh the American system of pensions and unemployment insurance are – that if you don’t pay anything in, you don’t get anything out. But in cases like these, it don’t seem so bad…

      Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 05 29 at 01:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. We sooo need to demolish that ridiculous welfare state we got going on.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 29 at 01:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Current policies of the Department of Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs (DIMIA) towards some = the root cause of a future Dhimmia of the many?

      Posted by tmciolek on 2006 05 29 at 01:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. What ever happened to the Skilled Migration Program?

      Posted by lingus4 on 2006 05 29 at 01:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. From my calculation here in Australia our welfare spending happens slightly above $2000 per second.

      Posted by Hank Reardon on 2006 05 29 at 01:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. #4, they are skilled, at fraud.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 01:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Under Centrelink rules, she is entitled to almost $50,000 a year in welfare while her husband is in prison, awaiting trial.

      That’s a good whack, that’s more than what most people earn through working their butts off. It’s the same in the UK, where they booted out some radical cleric, however his wife and dependents remain in the UK sapping public welfare of a country they so hate.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 01:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. And welfare chews up how much of the federal budget? Not quite 50% but not far south, either.

      With control over that sort of money, the community services minister should automatically be appointed prime minister, to boot.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 29 at 01:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. Why are we rewarding the families of criminals?

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 05 29 at 02:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. May be its got something to do with sex education in Islamic schools see: http://weekbyweek7.blogspot.com/2006/05/when-saying-no-is-not-ok-sex-education.html#links

      Posted by WeekByWeek on 2006 05 29 at 02:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Off-topic but still on-topic: there were some articles about the large number of cousin marriages in Auburn (Sydney’s Muslim area) and the large number of birth defects these “marriages” (more like institutionalised incest) produce.
      Apart from the retch the thought of fucking a close relation causes, it means more money wasted on welfare…

      Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2006 05 29 at 02:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. #11, do you have links ?

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 02:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hmmmm, while i am no great fan of paying immigrant bludgers especially (that haven’t contributed anything to the country yet) to sit on their behind for 10 years doing diddly squat, something tells me if we were paying some eskimoes, or any number of other groups some of these “handouts”, they wouldn’t be repaying us by “allegedly” planning to blow us up…..

      i don’t think we should dump completely on the system just becoz of a bunch of bad apples, who as so often seem to be adherents of the RoP… afterall any number of us may have needed a bit of a helping hand out at times, it the blood sucking parasites who constantly take the system for a ride who really need to be singled out…

      hopefully these are getting fewer and fewer under the “work for the dole” schemes, but probably just like community service for minor crims programs, it is probably being abused in places…

      but this concept of having untold numbers of children which the community ends up paying for has really got to be looked at, for the white trash and other groups who tend to like playing this game… four or five kids max and anything over that is a lifestyle decision of your own making and you damn well foot the bill people!!!

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 02:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Taxpayers provide his wife with almost $50,000 a year in welfare.

      Holy crap! That’s as much as I made last year (when converted to US$), and I work 6 days a week, at least. SOmething is seriously wrong there.

      The joys of being self-employed…

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 05 29 at 02:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bugger! my suprise gland must be dicky. i read that and didnt feel anything.

      O/T A mate of mine is currently becoming a police officer in WA and has allready got a horror story. The cops cant even discuss each others case or ask for info without running the risk of an internal investigation. This is because of “privacy issues” for the crims.
      Those faint 2 thudding noises were the collective testicles of the WA police farce /service being cut off.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 02:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. So they’re terror suspects are they?

      Also Tim Blair, you must be thrilled to bits that your dog whistling has attracted a fully fledged nazi to your comments section.  Or don’t you know who darrinh is?

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 29 at 02:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. Maybe as a punishment, their kids could be forced to attend Marrickville Council’s pre-school centre in Tempe, to readJake and His Dads and learn about gay and lesbian sex, transgender roles, etc, as funded by the NSW Government.

      Posted by mr magoo on 2006 05 29 at 02:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. There is a a tendency to believe that the “dole” in itself is an act of jihad. A way to weaken the economy of the host country. It is basically the jizya tax that the infidel must pay to the superior muslims who are engaged in jihad against the west.
      Although these guys are in jail, they must view these payments as a victory over the infidel.
      Centrlink are surely totally incapable of understanding such political manoevres.

      Posted by davo on 2006 05 29 at 03:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. That pre-school centre would be fire bombed so fast it would make your head spin magoo….  :o)

      and with that sort of reading material standard fair, some people might say that wouldn’t be such a bad thing….

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 03:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. well having lots of offspring is a good way to boost the numbers of your community which gives you more political and social influence over time…

      and muslims i am sure are not the only ones who have figured this out….  other religious and ethnic groups would no doubt be putting it in to place around the world…

      thats why the approx 15 million muslims that are in Europe, and who no doubt will have a reproduction rate several times that of the declining birth rate of most european countries they live in, have a good prospect of eventually dominating the continent without having to have a big war to establish the caliphate….

      that we perhaps are stupid enough to fund this out of our own pockets is probably something that gives them quite a bit of satisfaction….

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 03:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. I hate to say it, but we have no one but ourselves to blame.

      Posted by Nic on 2006 05 29 at 03:16 AM • permalink

 

 

    1. Also Tim Blair, you must be thrilled to bits that your dog whistling has attracted a fully fledged nazi to your comments section.

      That’s worse than a fully fledged Stalinist…how?

      Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 05 29 at 03:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. #21: Speak for yourself; I blame George Bush.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 05 29 at 03:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. Oh fer cryin out loud, gusty, Tim lets anyone in—even you—and as long as they behave themselves they can stay. You plan on posting something on topic?

      That goes for you too, darrinh. You are both here on sufferance, you know.

      As for myself, just looking at my Group Certificate—to the page intro —to the Group Certificate —to the page intro—I think I’m gonna be sick.

      I wonder when “bracket creep” kicks in for these creeps.

      (Note: arrogate not to thyself those powers rightly belonging to the Boadicea of the Blog, lest she decscendeth upon thee with paddle and spear)

      Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 05 29 at 03:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. #16 Gusty,
      A fully fledged nazi?, do you have proof for this or are you just dog whistling?. By the way, weren’t you banned for being a barking idiot?.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 05 29 at 03:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. well Nic, i’d say we probably have a very small minority who are actually to blame, but who have the biggest mouths, and the whackiest philosophies… and then most people are just bystanders with busy lives who feel unable to affect the systems even though they don’t agree with most of it…..

      its like the problem of car theft that often seem endemic in places, and home burglaries… if you look at the problem, you often find its just a small number of professional crims who are responsible for the bulk of the crime… and if the p*ss weak judges had the balls to lock up these professional cons, the crime rate drops dramatically…

      if we could just side line these small number of bleeding heart, squeaky wheel social worker/political/welfare lobbyists, you’d probably find the majority of people have quite a common sense view towards these sorts of abuses of the system….

      unfortunately, the agendas and media are usually dominated by the committed activists who have worked out their slogans and refined their messages to make them look like the paragons of virtue, even when if most people looked at the ideas or values they are trying to peddle and force on us in the cold light of day they would recognise they’re just a bucket of swill….

      so in a general sense yes we are to blame, but in reality its a small, unrepresentative bunch, like the cindy sheehan’s of the world who make out they speak for us, and push bizarre positions, that in reality should shoulder the burden of the blame for what our societies are becoming… i hope one day they they get their rewared for their actions….

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 03:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. Gust from my cleft is back!!

      And his first action is an off topic slur on an alleged “nazi”.
      Heres a hint, we dont care unless he brecomes a frothing, off topic posting, allegation making loon.
      Recognise yourself there?

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 03:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Keep honking!!

      Posted by Possum on 2006 05 29 at 03:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. #16 – And a ‘Nazi’ is worse than an eleventh century minded islamic head-hacker?
      How so?

      Posted by Islam/cancer-Chuck Norris/answer on 2006 05 29 at 03:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. thats why the approx 15 million muslims that are in Europe.
      The problem is not the Muslims it is ISLAM.
      THERE IS NO MODERATE ISLAM- ONLY MODERATE MUSLIMS!
      Europeans are becoming slaves in Malmo, Holland , terrified in Paris, Berlin and London. Land everywhere donated for madrassas and mosques. we are beimg cowed into self hatred and showered with islamic hate etc etc .
      Islam has nothing to “admire” in nazism, communism or democracy or any infidel socio-welfare system. It is in it’s own eyes, ultimate perfection. All else is blasphemy.
      To allow the building of moderate Muslim indoctrination centres on our own soil is folly.
      Bush talks about the “war on terror” in foreign lands. The war is happening on our own soil . That SHOULD be his prority.

      Posted by davo on 2006 05 29 at 03:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. cheers for the link Honkie Hammer.

      btw, when I get have the urge to make frothing-at-the-mouth-off-topic-comments, I’ll post them else where.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 04:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. I don’t think there is all that much Bush can do unfortunately….

      The US with its constitution guaranteeing all those freedoms was written by a bunch of wise men who gave guiding principles (in terms of free speech etc), but then expected that consitution to be administered in the future by people with common sense, wisdom and decency…

      freedom can be a blessing when it is administered by such sensible, reasonable people as the founding fathers and Jefferson etc..  instead too often today, whether it be by your supreme court judges, the ACLU or whatever, when its applied and invoked by foolish, unreasonable people, all this freedom becomes a curse… its like giving a house full of children freedom, but with no self-restraint or self-responsbility…

      for instance with the first amendement, i don’t think they had gangster rappers advocating the murder of policemen… with the second amendment i don’t think they meant youths having berettas or assault rifles… and so the list goes on….  sound, reasonable guiding principles have been prostituted to provide cover and support for traitors, criminals and any other number of low lifes…

      and all this freedom that is now demanded by lobby groups and interest groups would put heavy restraints on how much action your government can take with freedom of religion etc inside its own borders….  even to go to far to accuse certain groups can lead to unremitting personal and political attacks which can end careers….

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 04:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. 31 davo
      My own humble thoughts on the mindset permitting this rampant stupidity.

      For at least 3 generations the objective of the Communist movement was to question and attack the legitimacy of any other advanced system of government. It was largely successful in removing kings, somewhat successful in removing facists and dictators.
      it proved utterly useless at persuading people to rise up against democracies and representitive rule though. So it changed its tactics slightly to take over the propaganda organs, and none were more attractive than the school systems.
      It began slowly enough with the wooing and outright corruption of the universities. How many historians, social, and “soft” studies were active or sympathetic to Communists wont be known for sure. But a glance at the politics of many tenured instructors today seems to indicate a pattern of patronage where politics of a certain sort didnt hurt.
      This form of corruption then began to infect the past, by disowning, demeaning, and fabricating whatever was neccessary to diminish the “west”. 3 generations later and the damage caused by this acidic eating away of anything good or glorious about the west is almost total.
      The guilt industry spawned by the marxist corruption runs to billions in Australia alone. we must save the whales, refugees, aboriginies, environment, criminals, as well as feel shame about wars overthrowing theocracy and brutal dictators.
      Think about being European and having your own governments actively shut down ANY debate leaving your ownly options to keep quiet (socialy acceptible) or vote far right (social death).
      Communist tactics worked, I doubt if Europe would have resisted if the collective will was as low 30 years ago as it is today. Communism just didnt survive long enough to harvest its corrupt “fruit”, that will fall to the Muslims.
      Im sure people much more elloquent than me can put it clearer/better and would like them to do so.
      /rant off

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 04:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. In my limited experience “where’s the evidence” is not the usual reaction of full fledged (or even in pinfeathers) nazis, they tend to ignore that kind of stuff.

      A bit like certain members of the Far Left I could name.

      No, I have no idea who darrinh is. Well, I didn’t, but Google is my Friend.

      I suspect I’d have severe political differences with him, but no matter. He’s been reasonable, rational, and polite. Qualities also rare amidst Nazis and Far Left Moonbats.

      Besides which, anyone whose secondary blog can link to both StormFront and LGF must have a wicked sense of humour.

      On his primary blog, the Reading List of the Protocols of Zion and the Turner Diaries don’t exactly inspire confidence, but I’d bet my blog would weird him out even more than his does me.

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2006 05 29 at 04:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. Not that Protocol of the elders of zion horsesh*t… thats a bit disappointing…

      There was an interesting doco on SBS last tuedsay night was it about that publication…

      anyway, i thought had been well and truly debunked….

      but yes if your reasonable and half polite….  i guess its a free country….

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 04:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Jesus Christ, Frollickingmole, what the hell was that?

      We’re in an era of unprecedented conservatism, and you come out with a fruit loop conspiracy theory involving the commies?

      Anyway, back on topic.  No one on Blair’s list has been found guilty of anything, so what’s the point of the post?  If it’s to highlight a correlation between welfare and crime, then why were only the Muslims targeted?

      What would you all think if I started a website that only highlighted crimes committed by Jews.  Would that be OK?  There’s plenty out there, just ask darrinh, and he’ll point you in the right direction.

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 29 at 04:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. gustov_deleft
      I dont wrestle with pigs.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 04:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. frollick
      i like your idea that islam took advantage of what communism run out of time to achieve.
      We do know that communism targeted the universities and unions and there is much evidence in the frequent trips to Russia taken by British academics in the 60s and 70s.
      The culture of self hatred that communism implanted into the psyche of the educators so as to weaken the resolve of democracies to defend themselves was pounced upon by the Islamists. Arafat himself was trained by the KGB under Andropov and he became the master of the art of instilling guilt in the west and posing as a victim, knowing that victims are incapable of evil under western liberal ideology.
      the problem is that much of the west is now controlled by the graduates of that disastrous education.

      Posted by davo on 2006 05 29 at 04:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. An explanation for gussy’s “dog whistle” slur, for North American readers who may not appreciate its currency in Australia.

      “Dog whistle” is the slur-du-jour of the left against the right in Australia, especially as applied to John HoWARd.

      In Oz at the moment it means you accuse the “dog whistler” of saying something with a hidden message that is heard by the rednecks in society and they instintively react to it and support the whistler.

      Strangely, the left elites can also understand the hidden message and this allows them to accuse the “dog whistler”.

      How gussy could EVER have the nastyness to discern the hidden “dog whistle” message in Tim’s post is beyond me.  Maybe you are more like us than you think, eh gussy?

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 05 29 at 05:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. #37 – it’s not to highlight the correlation between welfare and crime, it’s to highlight the abuse of our welfare system aided and abetted by our more caring, socially aware.  To add insult to injury here, his wife is an immigrant from Lebanon, arrived about 1 year before Benbrika, and also has never worked, ie paid any taxes to support the welfare system their abusing.

      As for highlighting Muslims, there are many ppl who aren’t happy with the way welfare is given out generally; the fact that this family’s father is in jail on suspected terrorism charges to harm Australians just rubs salt into the wound.

      Posted by spyder on 2006 05 29 at 05:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. OK tin hat people, where are all these oppressed right-wing academics out there?  Surely if universities only hire lefties, there must be some sort of right-wing academic support group where the entire oppressed gather?

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 29 at 05:14 AM • permalink

 

    1. 40 SCD – I like the way that you have completely glossed over the fact that a well known nazi identity has a school girl crush on Blair.

      I’m not for one minute suggesting that Tim is a Nazi – Merely pointing out the ridiculous guilt by association tactic Blair uses against Ant Loewentstein and others, can also be used on him.

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 29 at 05:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. #42 congratulations. That is the most totally pus-brained comment I have ever seen on this website.

      Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 05 29 at 05:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. #42 d’idiot,
      A real right wing death beast wouldn’t be seen dead in academia, theyr’e too busy leading productive lives and generating wealth. Now fuck off and die.

      Posted by Daniel San on 2006 05 29 at 05:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. The guilt industry spawned by the marxist corruption runs to billions in Australia alone. we must save the whales, refugees, aboriginies, environment, criminals, as well as feel shame about wars overthrowing theocracy and brutal dictators.

      yep, “land rights for gay whales”, and other such stupid trivialties. The long march through our institutions started with the frankfurt school and the big 4, Lukacs,Gramsci,Adorno and Marcuse.

      The cultural marxists and their attitude of “any bandwagon for us” has, for example, resulted in quite dire consequences for Australian Aboriginal communities, as revealed in the past few weeks by Nanette Rogers.

      I would disagree with the idea that ‘communism’ ran out of time, the leftist agenda didn’t evaporate with the USSR, they changed horses, having given up on economic marxism they are instead attempting to assert cultural/social marxism on the west, (watch the upcoming Swedish elections).  Islam for them is just another angle of attack, marxism acheives by stealth what islam achieves by brute force (re theo van gogh) and unless we grow some gonads and deal to it, we will loose.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 05:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. #43 you fuckwit.
      40 SCD – I like the way that you have completely glossed over the fact that a well known nazi identity has a school girl crush on Blair.

      Did I gloss over your unsubstantiated, O/T rant that a poster here is, according to you, a “fully fledged Nazi”?

      Guilty as charged!  Off the the re-education centre!

      But… can anyone here GUESS WHY I may have glossed over that assertion?

      <crickets>

      Here’s a hint.  Read carefully gussy.  You can move your lips as you read if you like if it will help you understand.  Here we go.

      Ready gussy?  Concentrate now.  My post was to explain to non Australian readers the nature of your ‘dog whistle’ comment in the context of Australian left Vs right debate.

      I probably need to type slower than that but I don’t really give a shit if you don’t understand.

      Anyway, how do you understand Tim’s post to discern that there’s a dog whistle in there?  C’mon mate.  You’re just like us, aren’t you?

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 05 29 at 05:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. The welfare state also has caused the misery in Aboriginal society, as well as our own when young men and women no longer need to find work to stay alive. Idle hands make mischief as they say.

      What human disaster has socialism not had a hand in I wonder.

      Posted by Louis on 2006 05 29 at 06:09 AM • permalink

 

    1. Louis – don’t forget Malcolm Fraser’s culpability in that regard.

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 05 29 at 06:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. Or don’t you know who darrinh is?

      #16, You say that like I’m actually somebody of note……muahahaha,muahahaha,muhahahahahahahahaha *cough*wheeze*

      never did get the hang of the Evil Laugh™, that’s why I’m forever destined to remain a mere Minion© of the “Vast Right Wing Military Industrial complex Conspiracy”, err thingy.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 06:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. 1. Gustav, “FUCK OFF” you are wasting keystrokes.  2. A message to the so called moderate Muslims, if Benbrika and other malcontents managed to carry out an attack on Australian soil.  You would see a backlash that you could not possibly imagine.  Stand up and be counted or wear the consequences.

      Posted by Howzat on 2006 05 29 at 06:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. SCD – true, but at the same time don’t you forget about Howard and his Liberal?-I-don’t-think-so-Party. The fact that Howard has refused to tackle welfare spending and dependency – in fact, they’re inflating it – constitutes the most disappointing aspect of his party’s present long standing stewardship.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 29 at 06:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. Some more food for thought.  http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22530

      Posted by Howzat on 2006 05 29 at 06:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. #47 – That wasn’t a bad dummy spit, but I’ve certainly seen better.

      You said this –

      How gussy could EVER have the nastyness (sic) to discern the hidden “dog whistle” message in Tim’s post is beyond me.  Maybe you are more like us than you think, eh gussy?

      You asked me to discern the hidden dog whistle message, but I didn’t need to.  What better way to prove that it was a dog whistle then by pointing to the dog that came running?  I’m sorry that you weren’t able to understand something so simple.

      If you doubt who darrinh is, why don’t you ask him?  He doesn’t like ‘mud people’ and really hates Jews.

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 29 at 06:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. Welfare abuse is a problem that is not limited to any one ethnic group. The problem is that the administrators of these programs are too lazy to make any real difference. Little wonder that resentment develops by both recipient who becomes dependent and observer who becomes poorer.

      Posted by captain on 2006 05 29 at 06:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. A real right wing death beast wouldn’t be seen dead in academia

      Two words.

      Professor Bunyip.

      Posted by walterplinge on 2006 05 29 at 06:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. The problem with welfare is just trying to find an appropriate balance between helping those people who are a bit down and need society’s assistance (such as short-term unemployed) without giving them so much that they lose the drive to become self-sufficient. I think that the only clear solution is to do the obvious and cut down on welfare until these people start contributing back to society.

      Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 05 29 at 06:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Also Tim Blair, you must be thrilled to bits that your dog whistling has attracted a fully fledged nazi to your comments section.

      Heh, dog whistling, its the Claytons of slurs. Its the rascist accusation you make when you not making a rascist accusation.

      Or don’t you know who darrinh is?

      Tim does like to keep detailed info on the social stature, vital stats, racial purity and sexual preference of his loyal subjects, however Trang lost use of his right arm in an unfortunate shredding accident last week, and he has fallen a bit behind in this, your patience is appreciated.

      Anyway, back on topic.  No one on Blair’s list has been found guilty of anything, so what’s the point of the post?  If it’s to highlight a correlation between welfare and crime, then why were only the Muslims targeted?

      It wasnt, it was to point out that a policy that many people here dont support (in too much welfare) is forcing everyone else in the country to support (at a higher standing of living to many), people who want to kill us. Are you deliberatly avoiding the point? They say not to attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity, so i’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your a complete fucking twit.

      OK tin hat people, where are all these oppressed right-wing academics out there?  Surely if universities only hire lefties, there must be some sort of right-wing academic support group where the entire oppressed gather?

      No there doesnt have to be. The overwhelming evidence, both anecdotal and statistical is proof enough of an ongoing bias in academia. But hey! Why let such silly things like those ruin a perfectly good prejudice.

      Posted by RhikoR on 2006 05 29 at 06:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. #51, they wouldn’t nessecarily need to ‘blow’ something up, we have already seen their rapid response capabilities, look at the Jihad on the Sutherland Shire, the Police were helpless, there even reports of ‘firearms being displayed’ yet no arrests, even though Carr mandated a fourteen year gaol term for carrying a handgun.  The governments lame response is to buy a watercannon and have the Police trial tazers (which I don’t think they have yet).

      The shire Jihad was a targetted Jihad, like the attack on Van Gogh in the Netherlands, the wolves attack one sheep to keep the rest in line, while a congo line of the white PC caste flagellate themselves in abject apology for offending the muslims.  In my book, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, it’s a myth, the mythical moderate and everytime something violent does happen, the mythical moderates are heard to exclaim “oh, they weren’t really muslims, real muslims know that jihad is a spiritual thing”, there must have been a lot muslims put to the end of the line to virginal paradise as a result of the cartoon jihad, so the real question is, “can the real muslim please standup, please standup”

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 06:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. #54 – if that’s true and he ever aired such views around here, I’m pretty confident his feet wouldn’t touch the ground. So what’s your point? I don’t think the administrator has seen Minority Report – she generally waits for the misdemeanour to be committed before banning. And I doubt she has the time to go delving into the personal opinions of each and every member.

      Your argument is specious, by the way. You are attempting to erode the veracity of the point Tim’s making by highlighting the incidental appearance of an individual. Considering the number of articulate, thoughtful, non-racist and non neo-nazi contributors to this thread who have constructed cogent, logical comments in support of – and building on – the sentiment expressed, don’t you think you’ll be effortlessly called for what you are? That is, a two bit troll who is less a gadfly, more a dazed blowie buzzing disorientedly at a window. Easily squashed.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 29 at 06:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’m not for one minute suggesting that Tim is a Nazi – Merely pointing out the ridiculous guilt by association tactic Blair uses against Ant Loewentstein and others, can also be used on him.

      gustov, Antony comes from a school of thought where you call anyone whom you dont particularly fancy – racists, nazis and facists. Worse still, Loewenstein & friends have a certain tendency to throw such ephitets at – of all people – the descendents of holocaust survivors.

      So yes, Antony deserves every bit of “the ridiculos guilt by association” tactic – even more so when his work gets published by neo-Nazis, when he allows racists to publish Anti-Semitic comments on his blog and when his mentor & idol Noam Chomsky has connections with neo-Nazis and holocaust denial. The last part doesn’t seem to bother Ant who continues to regularly quote and heap praise on Chomsky.

      That whole “guilt by association tactic” BS that you charge people here with is misleading at best, because it implies that Loewenstien is completley innocent.

      Posted by Kidon on 2006 05 29 at 07:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Especially when Ant loves a good Jewish conspiracy theory

      Posted by Kidon on 2006 05 29 at 07:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. gussy wheezed:  If you doubt who darrinh is, why don’t you ask him?  He doesn’t like ‘mud people’ and really hates Jews.

      OK, I’ll ask.  Who are YOU gussy?  You want exposure, be the first.  I dunno about the one you nominated as hating Jews but from your long history of posts I can see you really despise the Australian way of life.

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 05 29 at 07:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #52 Jimmy W

      Yes, I guess I agree.  Thats the problem with a thriving economy.  No real imperative to make hard social decisions (like slashing the ABC budget…)

      Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 05 29 at 07:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. Taxpayers provide his wife with almost $50,000 a year in welfare.

      Just some statistics that I find interesting.

      The average Australian wage is now A$53,861.60($US 40,846.02).

      (OECD)Table 1.2 : Income tax, employee social security contributions and gross wage earnings.

      Posted by JoeJr on 2006 05 29 at 08:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. Just one question:

      Is Mother Sheehan still down under and will she visit this poor fellow and his desperate family?

      Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2006 05 29 at 08:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve never understood the logic in tax payers paying people who apparently hate our guts and society.

      Oh, wait a second, the whole dogma of the left is built upon ignorance of logic and empirical studies of people’s behaviour.

      Posted by tdw77 on 2006 05 29 at 08:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. The moderate Muslim does exist. Goto Singapore. The ruling party takes especial care to build marvellous mosques for the Muslims but in turn has a deciding vote on which imams gets into power- and also vetes their sermons. Any troublemakers get placed in indefinite detention. Its quite simple really- weed out the radical elements. Force them off welfare. Get them to do some real work and be a productive member of society. If not, throw them out.

      Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2006 05 29 at 09:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. ot
      but a real good example of how the SMH uses perfidious false analogy to attack Cardinal Pell who dared speak the truth.

      ‘THE Bible has as many invocations to violence as the Koran, if not more, says an American biblical scholar and peace activist. There is a darker side to the sacred text that many Christians will not admit.’
      Bible more violent than Koran

      Posted by davo on 2006 05 29 at 09:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. gustov_deleft, you have one minute to provide links proving that darrinh has made statements himself or approvingly linked directly to other peoples’ statements against “mud people” or Jews. I don’t ban people for linking to questionable or disgusting websites on their own blogs, but I do ban people for off-topic ad hominem attacks on commenters here. And who do you suppose fits that bill, hmm?

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 05 29 at 09:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Bugger. Tim beat me to it. I’m still working on my post about the delightful Mr Benbrika.

      The paper got it wrong, though. He’s been in the country since 1989. That’s a shitload of jizya he and his wife have been raking in.

      wikipediahas a nice bit of info on him, and I blogged on him back in November. I got the figures wrong, but that doesn’t matter.

      We still have a couple of people who came to this country and have not contributed to the economy in fiscal terms. Neither of them have worked, and they have produced half a dozen children. Neither of them are working, and one of the couple is now in jail, so the othe half gets an increase in the benefits.

      I saw Benbrika when he was on the tv last year and was offended by him then, and I’m offended by him now. I see no reason why he and his wife and kids shouldn’t be shipped off to the Umma where our laws and mores won’t offend their sensibilities.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 29 at 09:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. Uh oh Berthas off the wall…..

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 09:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. And gusty’s “minute” is up.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 05 29 at 09:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. walterplinge,

      I’m not sure what you are trying to say, but reading Prof Bunyips blog I get the distinct feeling he has to hide his voting and thoughts in order to keep his job!

      Posted by Rob Read on 2006 05 29 at 09:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. Robs Law “Extortion funding only creates parasites”

      Posted by Rob Read on 2006 05 29 at 09:39 AM • permalink

 

    1. 69. Davo, that guy is obviously a twit who has never heard of the world ‘allegory’

      Regarding the Old Testament, it is considered historical record by biblical scholars and any exhortations to violence are within the context of particular times in Jewish/Christian history.

      As for the New Testament, and the quote in the article

      Matthew 10: 34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

      taken in context it is not a call to go out and slaughter your family, but an admission that He will cause dissension in the world.

      And He did. Jesus pissed a lot of people off in His time and got crucified for it.

      BUT….

      Unlike Mohammed: He didn’t kill anybody. He didn’t rape anybody. He didn’t mutilate anyone. He didn’t break oaths. He didn’t marry a six year old and consummate the marriage when she was nine. He did not ambush opponents.

      He did, however, kick the moneychangers out of the temple, and He also admonished hypocrisy wherever he found it.

      He raised the dead, healed the blind and the lame, and preached love and forgiveness. He changed the world forever.

      Okay, so Mohammed also changed the world somewhat, but not in such a positive manner. He did pull off one miracle, I guess, if you consider 14 centuries of the biggest con ever.

      L Ron’s got nothing on Mo.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 29 at 09:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. One of the jailed Melbourne men, Abdul Nacer Benbrika—leader of a radical group of Islamists—has been in Australia for 10 years and has never had a job.

      That’s it!  Gimme a kheffiyeh, I’m flying down to Australia!

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 29 at 10:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. and mo also has a hat

      Posted by KK on 2006 05 29 at 10:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, that was quite pathetic…you know, gusty’s always playing the hyper-enthusiastic lapdog for various lefty personalities (previously Loewenstein and Quiggin, and now joining in Darp Hau’s little crusade against darrinh) that I’m seriously wondering if his “this Nazi has a schoolgirl crush on Tim Blair” comment isn’t a bit of projection on his part.

      Posted by PW on 2006 05 29 at 10:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. OK. Let me ask a question…hypothetical, but still a question…:).

      Let us say I…ME, this nice little kid were young enough to migrate to OZ. I would need a skill (to provide for myself) of some sort to do so, correct?

      OK, I lied, two hypothetical questions…BUT if I were say a, ummmm of a certain group with a supposed ‘religion’ that happens on a very regular basis fires RPG’s, straps on Bomb Belts, grows a beard, treats women like chattel, honor kills those women, and more things of that nature…I could come to OZ and live on dole money?

      Posted by El Cid on 2006 05 29 at 10:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. 74-you bet you have to hide any conservative “tendencies” in academia.  My diss. advisor told me I’d never get hired, except maybe down South, because I mocked Lenin and Marx at a party once…

      78–KK–no!  Don’t talk about HATS!

      Posted by ushie on 2006 05 29 at 10:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well some of these wastes of space did come some years ago under the former Labor government administration, so it may be a bit harder for them to get in now with no skills or intention of working….  but how these bludgers escape the work for the dole scheme i don’t know….

      although short of paying some employer to take on these time wasting, trouble makers, you would’t have a lot of trouble convincing me that these people really can’t find anyone to employ them, no matter how many interviews they send them to, or how desperate the labour market is…..

      Posted by casanova on 2006 05 29 at 11:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. A simple queston based upon my ignorance of your tax system.

      Is that 50,000 taxed?  If not, then that person is making a far higher “wage” in your system, based upon any concept of take home pay, than the average citizen down there.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2006 05 29 at 11:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. No one should be allowed to collect welfare for more than two kids unless they have been gainfully employed in the past and become injured or sick and unable to work.REALLY unable as in very physically disabled or mentally disabled as in psychiatric hospital most of the time.
      If you got no money don’t have kids until y’earn some.ARE YOU LISTENING GOVERNMENT AND OPPOSITION.This is a proposition most Austrayans would wholeheartedly support.
      Ya got more than two kids (the Aussie average)-pay for them yourself or adopt em out.
      Australian story tonite- a drag queen obligingly fathers six kids to five different Lesbian mothers…Who is supporting those kids….

      Posted by crash on 2006 05 29 at 11:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. Its just unbelievable. Welfare is the good intention that leads straight to hell.  It briefs so well and makes the bleeding hearts feel good, but it is in impossible to manage on a national scale.  The crooks can easily defeat any so-called safety mechanisms and live quite comfortably off your hard earned money. Districts are re-drawn to maximize voting populations, so you end up with politicians who either fight for welfare or are voted out. I’d wager those who truly need it are a very small minority of the teet suckers. Its madness.

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 05 29 at 11:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Incidentally Media Nanny Attard (a spoonful of poison makes for a good story) is defending LOONEY against ed of SMH -who refused to publish a diatribe cartoon about our Prime Minister (musta been bad what?).
      The Age of course published the same cartoon.Nannywatch severely chastized the SMH guy for being unsupportive of little Looney’s dangerous paranoid schiz disorder and became the wind beneath Looney’s wings –
      the vicious little doodle is now gracing Mediawatch’s website…Oh dear,remember the last time they did that?

      Posted by crash on 2006 05 29 at 11:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. 58 RhikoR

      its the Claytons of slurs

      It’s the what?  What’s a “Claytons”?

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 29 at 11:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #82 “but how these bludgers escape the work for the dole scheme i don’t know….”
      From Centrelink
      Job seekers may be required to take part in Work for the Dole if they are:

      * aged 18 or 19 years, recently completed Year 12, getting the full rate of Youth Allowance, and have been getting payments for three months or more, or
      * aged 18 – 39 years, getting the full rate of Youth Allowance or Newstart Allowance, and have been getting payments for six months or more.

      Posted by burrah on 2006 05 29 at 11:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. And simply because the men were locked up, their families received a social security pay rise of as much as $1700 a year.

      I’m of mixed feelings about this…

      On the one hand, the vestigial liberal in me says, “only $1700 (AU) for being denied the comfort, support and care of her husband?  How unfair!”

      On the other hand, the sinister RWDB in me says, “What a marvelous incentive for women to peach on their husbands!  Why this erodes that most fundamental precedent of law, that a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against their partner!  And we’re using their own poverty to do it, rather than the overt oppression of the law! steeples fingers EX-cellent!”

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 29 at 12:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. Must echo #80’s question, since that’s what I’ve always heard:  You need an actual, provable, skill to emigrate to Oz.  Am I misinformed?
      Also, the side discussion of Islam vs. Communism is interesting.  Flip sides of one coin: In one, there is no God but the state, and in the other, God IS the state.

      Posted by Secundus on 2006 05 29 at 01:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. #90 – Australia has one of the largest per capita intakes of refugees in the Western World – somewhere around the 13,000 per year mark. It was 6,000 per year up until 2001, then it doubled and has grown a little each year since. Most are unskilled and from Africa. On top of that there is the regular immigrant intake, at about 130,000 per year(though it’s progressively increasing in 10,000 per year bursts because of a ‘skills shortage’) – this regular intake is made up of skilled workers, those coming through the family reunification scheme and marriage. On top of that international students get to apply for permanent residency visa which leads to citizenship(which is the main reason international students come here).

      There is the perception that OZ is tough on immigration, but the reality is that we have the second biggest immigrant intake per capita in the western world. In the last ten years we’ve had approx. 1.3 million (legal) immigrants, and the intake is growing every year, both skilled and unskilled. The “tough” perception comes from screaming lefties who complain that we don’t let in every single boat person, but we DO let in 13,000 other refugees, whereas New Zealand is softer on the handful of boat people, but only have a refugee intake of 750…….therefore they get no leftist wrath or ‘tough on immigration’ reputation(even though they’re way less ‘open borders’ than OZ in reality).

      Posted by sageofdef on 2006 05 29 at 02:07 PM • permalink

 

    1. #91: Geez! Sounds like “Come one, come all! All you can eat! All aboard the gravy train!” If so, the Paco family may be interested in an extended stay. And we have the advantage of actually possessing some skills. My wife is an excellent self-taught electrician and plumber, and I do a great imitation of some of the better-known barnyard animals. Plus, I can blow square smoke rings. Top that, Abdul!

      Posted by paco on 2006 05 29 at 02:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. I hope #73 means that the Boadicea of the Blog (thanks, MentalFLoss, that was inspired!) has dispatched the ever execrable gustov deluded.  I have zero interest in his petty feud with darrinh.

      It looks like Australia is in the process of learning the lesson the US began a few years ago:  that public welfare is for the use of the too-sick, too-old, and/or too-handicapped to work.  We are a humane society that takes care of its weakest members.  Those who need a little time to learn how to work can also use welfare, but only for a limited time.  Of course, there will always be frauds, but we’re finally learning the lesson that welfare is not an entitlement program for those who are just too friggin’ lazy to make their owns lives better.  There is still a ways to go, but we’re getting there.

      Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 05 29 at 03:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. I haven’t banned him yet. I’m still waiting for him to come up with proof of his allegations. I’m not personally interested in his feuds either.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 05 29 at 04:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. sageofdef

      Thank you…and welcome to Romper Room, where the KING named Paco thinks he really is a cut above…”wife is an excellent self-taught electrician and plumber”. You should see my wifes bathroom…the lady can destroy a room in one single…YES, one single shower.

      And “great imitation of some of the better-known barnyard animals”, indeed. I can do fart sounds, with my armpits (well there, too). And who in the hell would want “square smoke rings”, huh?

      Hmmmmm, on second thought…take Paco first….LOL.

      Posted by El Cid on 2006 05 29 at 05:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. To those questioning how these parasites avoid Work for Dole (and the activity test generally), I have three words for you…..Disability Support Pension.

      DSP is the holy grail for mussie bludgers everywhere….Mamdouh Habib, Keysar Trad etc etc

      Posted by Tancred on 2006 05 29 at 05:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. #83 Yojimbo, it’s all tax free.

      But wait! There’s more…

      You also score the concession card. For that, you get discounts on electricity and gas during winter, you get concessions on your water bill (effectively 50% off, which gives you some idea of how much overcharging goes on).

      You also get discounts on public transport, drugs, cinema and theatre tickets, short courses at some of the tertiary institutions like TAFE. A great for example: The TAFE in Melbourne has a makeup artist course that is 12 months long. If I were to get into it as a concession holder, it would cost me $70 in fees and materials. If I weren’t a concession holder, it would cost over $1000 plus materials.

      I seriously considered taking that one on as a refresher, since at the moment I do have the card, but I weighed up the value of putting the ruggie in longday care (7-6, 5 days a week). I declined to apply for it as I don’t really need what it offers at the moment. I may change my mind in a couple of years time.

      (Sorry for the long answer. I did intend to keep it short.)

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 29 at 05:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. Good old Victorian Government has worked out how to be PC when talking about our own terrorists – link them with our own gangland killers (from the Herald Sun)-

      A HIGH-security prison block for terrorists and gangland killers is at the centre of a $100 million terrorism and security package to be unveiled in today’s State Budget.

      We’ll have our own Colleseum right here in Melbourne where the terrorists are fed to the lions!  (Assuming of course there are any gangland killers left cos they’ve been pretty busy killing themselves off for us)

      Posted by spyder on 2006 05 29 at 05:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. #80 The short answer is “yes” if you come in on ‘humanitarian’ grounds (ie refugee status)

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 29 at 05:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. 58 RhikoR

      its the Claytons of slurs
      It’s the what?  What’s a “Claytons”?

      Claytons was a brand of non-alchaholic drinks, which was marketed as the drink you have when your not having a drink.
      A lot of the jobs Keating created when he was PM were in the public sector purely for the purpose of making the unemployment stats look better, they were known as claytons jobs.

      Posted by RhikoR on 2006 05 29 at 05:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. #83 & 97 Nilk

      And if you hold a concession card you can get your divorce free (normal fee is around $500 for a clean, no-kids, property-settlement settled divorce – I did the divorce myself). I had a concession card for about two weeks, which is when I got my divorce.

      You get discounts off your phone bill, too (don’t you?). If you buy prescription drugs on the PBS and you don’t have a concession card they are $30 (roughly). With the card you get them for $5.

      The dole is about $350 or so per fortnight (a fortnight is 2 weeks), but if you can manage to pop out a few kids you can really rake in the dough.

      So, when are you lot immigrating?

      Anyone else see the circus on 4 Corners last night?
      The Road to Nowhere transcript here

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 07:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. #83, 97, 101

      But if you are crazy enough to actually get a job, that free money will count towards your taxable income for that year.  You will also lose your discount card etc etc…

      Posted by anthony_r on 2006 05 29 at 07:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. darrinh: re #51 :

      In my book, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, it’s a myth,

      Not in mine. I’m a PhD student at the ANU, and the two others I associate with, those who have the same PhD Supervisor, are both Muslims. One from Indonesia, one from Malaysia.

      They’re even more hideously embaressed (though that’s too mild a phrase) over the Islamofascists as I am over the Westboro Baptist Church. At least the latter hasn’t actually killed anyone yet.

      I’m also a member of a repressed minority : a right-wing member of Academe. Groupthink isn’t something that’s practiced a lot in the Department of Computer Science, but in the Humanities, I’d likely be burnt at the stake.

      I’m an early signer of the Euston Manifesto, a document that calls on the Left to get back to the ideals of Freedom of Speech, Democracy, and actually condemn dictators (whether they call themselves Left or Right) rather than cosying up to them. Genuine Anti-Fascists rather than the Objectively Pro-Fascist Moonbats of the Far Left, the Gorgeous George Galloways and Michael Moores.

      Tbe world isn’t that simple. Sometimes the issues are though, and he fact that this Terrorist has been subsidised for so long illustrates that we need to do something about it.

      Posted by Zoe Brain on 2006 05 29 at 07:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. #101

      No, but I watched the Denton show.  The first guest first guest turned out to be a knockabout aussie in the Beaconsfield manner who lost his eyesight in the 2nd Bali bombings.

      The second story concerned a classically educated US Marine who recovered many of the looted antiquities from Baghdad museum. It was turning into a good news story from Iraq, when the ABC management must have been screaming in Denton’s earpiece.  Denton tried to spin it against Rumsfeld and US ignorance, but the Marine was too good for him.  Beautiful.

      Posted by anthony_r on 2006 05 29 at 07:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. Off topic for a moment:
      Wankademics like Quiggin presume (if previous posts by him are anything to go by) to be our moral and intellectual betters. It is therefore gratifying to see him get his come-uppance:
      http://www.brookesnews.com/062905quiggin.html

      Posted by niobium2000 on 2006 05 29 at 07:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. #104

      Denton’s first guest was Tony Purkiss.

      He survived the disastrous Sydney-Hobart Yacht Race in 1998 with nasty injuries.

      He (and his wife and two children) survived a light plane crash.

      He had a heart attack and nearly died (the ambos thought he was dead) beyond resuscitation.

      He and his wife survived last year’s Bali beach bombing, again with nasty injuries. He is almost blind and his wife lost her right eye.

      Enough Rope link Perhaps there will be a transcript here of both the interviews on last night’s program.

      The second guest, Col Matthew Bogdanos (The Bulldog), was interesting, and very diplomatic.

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 07:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. Thanks #105, I enjoyed reading that. Quiggin confuses his economics with politics, thats why his work is such a socialist mish-mash.

      Posted by Nic on 2006 05 29 at 07:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. #18 Davo and #96 Tancred–I agree.
      An ASIO officer told me last year that Mamdou Habib (now sainted by a period of incarceration at Guantanamo) and other Sydney Islamists “know to the authorities,” when questioned by ASIO officers, used to boast of the amounts they and their families were milking from the Australian welfare system. The bigger the sums, the bigger their grins. (Habib achieved the “holy grail” of a disability support pension for “depression,” then went to Afghanistan on “business” while illegally continuing to draw his payments… When released from Guantanamo, he demanded his pension back.)

      Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 05 29 at 07:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. Bloomberg
      I think I can top that one. A chap who used to skipper our trawler (sacked for being off his tits on smack) not only has a disability pension, but has a perscription for morphine for his “incredible pain”. He peddles these tablets (on health care card about $15 for a pack of 50) for about $50.00 each. He also travels by bus a lot around WA and every time he “loses” his baggage he hits up the quack in that town for more.
      Yup lifes hard when your down and out in OZ.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 08:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. Nilknarf #99.  Humanitarian grounds-refugee status-just about exhaust El Cid’s available options anyway!  And that is with wronwrights considerable influence to boot!
      bwahahahaha!

      Nilknarf,kae and rebase.  Thanks, I knew that was probably the case, but wanted to check anyway.  All those goodies though-wow!

      All that money becomes taxable for the year of initial employment.  Talk about the un-viagra of employment schemes.  Who would want to give up all those goodies?
      <question=rhetorical>

      Posted by yojimbo on 2006 05 29 at 08:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. frollicking

      you sure he pays that much for his painkillers? for a concession card holder it’s about $4.60 per ‘script, and each one should last 30 days. I have to take heart rate regulating tablets, three per day, and one packet only lasts 20 days, so I have a special authority to get a double lot, and as I don’t have a concession card I pay about $29:60 for the script. The doctor explained to me that each supply should last a month, except things like antibiotics which are in packs which are their course size, usually 5 or 10. It was a bloody struggle for several months there when I didn’t know that I should be getting at least a month’s supply at each dispensing. especially when the ticker went haywire a couple of times and I had a couple of weeks off work.

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 08:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. I meant to say the money for that year becomes taxable for the year of employment.

      writing sometimes incoherent
      must improve
      a bridge too far?
      more than possible

      Posted by yojimbo on 2006 05 29 at 08:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Zoe, the Westboro Baptist Church is a living parody of itself, anybody who can come up with phrase like “Fag Jew Nazis” has to be a comedian.

      As for your associates, while not all muslims are frothing-at-the-mouth-head-choppers,non-muslims I think are justified to view Islam with fear and it’s followers with mistrust,but the silence [from muslims] on speaking out against the fundies is probably viewed as silent assent, but to be fair, Muslims who do speak out often find themselves at the tender mercies of the head-choppers, because sadly, the head-choppers have been given leave in the west because of the stupid policies of multiculturalism.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 08:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. Abdul Benbrika at the dole office-

      (Interviewer) -’Now Mr Benbrika, your previous work experience?

      (Abdul) – ‘JIHAD JIHAD JIHAD’!!!

      (Interviewer) – ‘Oh ok, was that with S.B.S or the A.B.C?’

      The End.

      Posted by Islam/cancer-Chuck Norris/answer on 2006 05 29 at 08:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. kae
      Not 100% sure my info on him is about 4 years old. I heard that its supposed to be a bit tighter nowdays as far as access to morphine goes so it may not be as bad.

      Royalpain,
      Love it!

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 29 at 08:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. How the hell does anyone receive 50k a year in welfare?

      Posted by Addamo on 2006 05 29 at 09:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. 115 & 109

      Shame he didn’t take himself out of the gene pool.

      re: drugs, I am reading Tim Priest’s book about life in the NSW Police Force Farce Service under Peter Ryan.

      It’s been remaindered and Mum picked it up for under ten bucks – various associates of my mum who camp overnight at her place and are current or ex members of NSW Police have expressed desire to read said book – and I have been sent her second copy (the first one disappeared – borrowed she thinks).

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 09:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. royalpain and yojimbo

      LOL

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 09:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. #116

      How the hell does anyone receive 50k a year in welfare?

      Per Fortnight:

      Basic Dole = $350.00
      Rent Allowance =
      Sprog Allowance/s =
      Sick Sprog Allowance/s =
      Medical Condition Allowance/s =
      Popping out a baby Allowance = $3,000

      can someone help me here, never having been a recipient of any of these allowances I don’t know what they are.

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 09:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. Centrelink welfare payment info. Have a look around this site.

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 09:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. rent assistance

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 29 at 09:35 PM • permalink

 

    1. Tim Priest made an excellent presentation a few years ago – The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia, a few months ago the SMH ran a nice smear against him.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 09:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. The Sydney Morning Herald was weeping so hard for the alleged terrorists that in a story entitled “Terror Suspects: Christmas in Solitary” it reported the men were near breaking point because the conditions were hard, and the Muslim prisoners were not permitted to spend Christmas with their Imagine the distress of these poor victims of Australian fascism at not being able to celebrate Christmas and decorate their homes with crucifixes!
      What next ‘Muslim terror prisoners tortured by being offered home cooked meals during Ramadan’?

      Posted by davo on 2006 05 29 at 10:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. Tim Priests article made for compelling reading, but didn’t the SMH article included an admission of sorts about being being a bit creative with the scenarios in that piece?

      Speaking of the 22 terror suspects, can someone point me to a link regardign the status of the charges against them?  Have any court hearing or trials taken place?  Being OS, I’m out of the loop about local news.

      Posted by Addamo on 2006 05 29 at 10:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. In the West the caring professionals want to spend our money more that we’re able to hold onto it.  Apologies to Rumpole.

      Posted by Pat Patterson on 2006 05 29 at 10:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. the SMH was designed to undermine his credibility and thus subtract from the thrust of his arguments in his article (link in #122) I think we have seen his claims come to fruition in the last 6 months throughout s/w sydney and the Jihad in the Sutherland Shire – the PC bent-to-the-left-media doesnt like to protray ‘Ahmed’ as anything else but a victim.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 29 at 10:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. I think that the people who sell fertiliser and other explosive components in Australia should be better trained at counselling our Muslim friends.

      In this way, new paradigms could be casually introduced at point of sale. For example, “Mohammed – while I get your bags of ammonium nitrate – this might be a good time to think about how we can all learn to get along…” “I understand why it is that you feel marginalised, but do you think that killing the people who are funding this purchase is the right path to follow?” – that kind of thing.

      It is this lack of counselling resources, which I attribute to John HoWARd, that is the true root cause.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 05 29 at 10:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. C’mon Gustov, you loud-mouthed, bed-wetting nancy-boy.  Where’s your “evidence” of darrinh and others being Nazis?

      Posted by murph on 2006 05 29 at 10:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. Andrea and others – Here is some information for you.

      Additionally here is darrinh posting on the white pride site, stormfront.

      Also check out this and this If you’re interested to read more of this person’s views.

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 29 at 10:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. Don’t hold your breath, murph. That warty little toad only came in to spew a bit of vitriol and then leave at the first sign of being called to account. Pathetic and intellectually flaccid, but true to form of most blogroaches and sockpuppets commenting around these parts.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 29 at 11:05 PM • permalink

 

    1. Okay, I stand corrected! He has come back. Don’t know why, though. I’m not seeing anything in the links provided that suggests he’s a Nazi. Where is he denigrating Jews and other members of the so-called untermensch, the Hitler-worship etc.? Sure, the guy bangs on a bit about white pride and related stuff that I find pretty naff – he’s probably one of those tedious “race realists” – but calling him a “fully fledged Nazi” is offensive hyperbole for which I think you should be banned.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 29 at 11:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. Look, there is no doubt that darrinh is on the cooky end of the political spectrum, but this is redeemed by the dashing and handsome figure he cuts.

      Posted by captain on 2006 05 29 at 11:16 PM • permalink

 

    1. ahem, darrinh did defend fascism on a recent thread here.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2006 05 29 at 11:25 PM • permalink

 

    1. You need an actual, provable, skill to emigrate to Oz.  Am I misinformed?

      I can juggle my past-due bills.  Does that count?

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 29 at 11:26 PM • permalink

 

    1. What is he sucking on in that giant pipe he’s holding?

      Posted by geoff on 2006 05 29 at 11:28 PM • permalink

 

    1. Commenting on a website is not proof that the commenter holds all or even any of the beliefs the website espouses. After all, gustov, you comment here all the time. Does that make you a “right wing” John Howard supporter? I guess by your criteria it does. Welcome to the fold!

      As for darrinh’s disturbing choice of website haunts, I’m sure that as soon as he realizes that too much communication with Stormfront types causes premature ejaculation and the overgrowth of man-titties he’ll lose his interest in such places.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 05 29 at 11:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. I used to have both stormfront and sydny indymedia on mine bookmarks. Does that make me a right wing communist or a left wing nazi?

      Both the extreme left and extreme right are good for a laugh.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 30 at 12:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. I have been loosing interest in SF lately, mostly because there are to many keyboard kommando’s, they are big on talk and little on [political] action.

      Posted by darrinh on 2006 05 30 at 12:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. #134 Juggling anything counts. Indeed there is a “juggling migration program” for people just like yourself.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2006 05 30 at 12:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. ”…they are big on talk and little on [political] action.”

      Think about it darrinh. Very few people would need to make that qualification. It wouldn’t even occur to them.

      Posted by geoff on 2006 05 30 at 12:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. #140 geoff:
      in fairness, darrinh has just been the topic of a public discussion about whether he should be banned, so it’s perhaps understandable that he’s being careful with his choice of words.
      on the other hand, the word-choice made me do a double-take as well…

      Posted by daddy dave on 2006 05 30 at 12:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. Just had a glance at the thread Daddy Dave linked to above, and having read this thread can I just say the long-winded to-ing and fro-ing about darrinh’s (apparently questionable, but so far unrevealed here) political leanings is getting FUCKING BORING. Admittedly, I’m partly responsible for it becoming thus. So to rectify matters, here’s a fresh idea – let’s draw a line under the sort of tedious finger-pointing our “progressive” guests have instigated.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 30 at 12:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. well said, and as someone who is also guilty of contributing to the to-ing and fro-ing, I agree. We got completely hijacked by a certain Mr Deleft (who seems to have left).
      ad hominem attacks should be bannable.

      Posted by daddy dave on 2006 05 30 at 01:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. #119. kae, as a single, non-working, parent I receive around $800 a fortnight. I also have been working one day a week for the last year.

      Add to that, the child care benefit subsidy, where I can put Magilla into family day care* from 8.30 to 4.30 for 3 days a week and it costs me $10 a week.

      You can live on that if you are frugal and in good health.

      You are also allowed to earn a certain amount of money above your benefits (up to $165 a fortnight it was a couple of years back) before they start cutting back your payments.

      If I had a mortgage, I would have had to put her in long day care and get a ‘real’ job. Because I rent, I’ve had the luxury of staying home for her first few years rather than putting her in a creche.

      *Over here, the day care options are:
      Day care centres (aka creches or learning centres) which will take infants from 6 weeks up to kindergarten age of 4.

      Family day care is basically a babysitting service in someone’s home. It’s more of a family environment, and depending on where you live, can end up like a pre-school whether you want that or not. Here in the Casey municipality, the carers are also expected to act like pre-school teachers and provide activities, ensure that learning milestones and physical aspects (such as gross and fine motorskills) are also within the normal ranges!

      Then you can pay for a nanny or you can stay at home with your child, or have your child stay with the grandparents.

      Since I don’t have the grandparents or anyone else available to give us the breaks we need, she’s been in family daycare. We tried the creche, and it was dreadful.

      Now that I’ve gone back to work, she’s in care 5 days, but she’s also 4 and she won’t be too distressed by the hours there.

      But wait…. there’s still more!

      As it stands, the laws regarding welfare payments for stay at home parents will be changing as of July 1 this year.

      From now on, stay at home parents will be forced to get a job once their child starts at school (6 is the age stipulated) whereas under the current rules, a parent could stay home until the child reached secondary school age of 12.

      If you have no ambitions, few needs, and don’t care to stretch your horizons, why go get a job?

      In my case, it’s been 4 years out of the workforce, and it’s time to get back into it.

      Apologies if there is too much personal info, but it gives you a better idea on how good our benefits are. We have it too bloody easy, and it’s no wonder we have asylum-shoppers wanting to land here.

      Oh, and as for what makes a refugee? Well, you can be a religious, political, or economic refugee.

      I had a housemate who was an economic refugee from Poland. She came out with her mum when she was a teenager, and her mum worked and still managed to get decent welfare payments. The housemate called her welfare the Starving Artists Fund and couldn’t be bothered getting a job since she preferred to work in theatre.

      So Paco, El Cid and the rest, all you need to do is find an excuse, I reckon.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 30 at 01:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. OK, James.  Reasonable comment, and I shall abide by making no further comment on the issue.

      PS – Andrea.  Though I do comment infrequently on this site, I do so in opposition to the author.

      Line drawn—-

      Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 05 30 at 03:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. Miniongramme #95/06

      re post #136, final sentence.

      Note well, fellow VRWC minions, this was the Honourable Mistress Andrea being nice.

      Be very afraid.

      MarkL
      canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 2006 05 30 at 04:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. MarkL

      You mean theres worse than Bertha??

      Im off to change my trousers now.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 30 at 05:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. Mole, using Bertha (gulp) means Andrea is slightly miffed.

      To my knowledge, nobody within several dozen kilometres has ever survived when she is ‘getting a little tetchy’, with seismic shocks reported up to 200k away.

      Legend has it that the only time one of her bloodline ever worked up in to a towering rage was 70,000 years ago. Wronwright (splendid fellow) managed to disguise that little incident as the Lake Toba super-volcano eruption. Hey, it still left nearly 50,000 humans alive on the planet.

      MarkL
      canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 2006 05 30 at 08:06 AM • permalink

 

    1. If guster will just tell us who he is then we can “out” him to all his public service mates..precipitating his swift fall from grace and favour…

      Posted by crash on 2006 05 30 at 08:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. Good, now that THAT is all settled, lets get back to the topic.
      Why do you lefties want to pay terrorists to come to Australia so they can destroy your country?  Why do you want to give able bodied people your money who neither earn it or deserve it? I don’t get it. Help me understand.  What’s the agenda?

      Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 05 30 at 08:40 AM • permalink

 

    1. #150 hell, i don’t even want to give a nice person like nilknarf my money. let alone benbrika.  but at least nilknarf has improved the gene pool, rather than reversing evolution like the inbreeding islamofascists

      #101 boggled at 4 corners – naked & shameless corruption on display for all the world to see.  but of course it’s john howard’s fault

      Posted by KK on 2006 05 30 at 09:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. #150 Texas Bob

      Why do you lefties want to pay terrorists to come to Australia so they can destroy your country?

      Australia has had a right-wing government for the past 10 years. The government has made a song and dance about being tough on illegal immigrants. Fine. It’s a success. Meanwhile, they have opened the doors to refugees. Some deserving, some clearly not. Will they make Australia a better place? We’ll see. History should have taught us to be wary of some refugees.

      Anyways, this is not discussed in polite company. How do you challenge someone about their charity? Their foolhardy, selfish and irrational charity. Makes one inevitably sound like an uncaring asshole.

      I’m in favour of a large scale immigration program for skilled immigrants. Got a degree or a trade we need? Welcome! Open the bloody doors! Our economy is slowing and inflation rising as a result of a massive skills shortage. This right-wing government is totally inept in some areas. A big disappointment.

      Posted by JoeJr on 2006 05 30 at 10:01 AM • permalink

 

    1. 37 Gusty sky-is-falling

      We’re in an era of unprecedented conservatism

      If it’s unprecedented, then how’s it conservatism?  That’s like claiming that “things are changing more slowly than ever before.” But they’re not.

      92 Paco

      Plus, I can blow square smoke rings.

      I’d have a hard time staying humble if I had that kind of talent, I must modestly say, as I obsequiously defer to your overwhelming humility.  I am not worthy.

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 30 at 12:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. 100 Rik

      Claytons was a brand of non-alchaholic drinks, which was marketed as the drink you have when your not having a drink.

      Ugh.  I mean, thank you, but now I’m sorry I asked.  Products like that (and decaffienated coffee) have no right to exist.  In the USA, in the early 1990s, it was possible to buy sugar-free Milky Way candy bars.  As collector’s items, maybe, I mean, or for some damned reason, but surely not for consumption.  Gah!

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 30 at 12:41 PM • permalink

 

    1. 154
      phuque!
      Sorry, make that “RhikoR,” not “Rik.”
      PWBMFIILI !

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 30 at 12:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. 146 MarkL

      Note well, fellow VRWC minions, this was the Honourable Mistress Andrea being nice.

      See?  If you live long enough, you see EVERYTHING, at least once.

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 30 at 12:57 PM • permalink

 

    1. Preview
      Would
      Be
      My
      Friend
      If
      I
      Let
      It,
      .
      in case you were wondering.

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 30 at 01:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. “Near Beer!” Lest we forget.

      Posted by yojimbo on 2006 05 30 at 03:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. #154

      I was discussing this a week ago.
      No alcohol wine.
      Why?

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 30 at 06:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. 50,000 dollars a year for the suspect terror family_ (as mr Lemon alp premier, says)bargain investment for our future. In What?

      This will encourage terrrorism within our society.

      Let’s face it sex and getting pregnant has never been so good here. The down fall is there are few Tim Blairs out there, and lots of drop kick mohumuooods and lesbians….

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 05 30 at 08:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. While we’re at it, can we receive government Funding (1 million dollars) or create a “grimion” company/school in Australia to educate terrorist on the tax and funding perks, sexual islamic postitions when they come to Australia? Now that is fun…

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 05 30 at 08:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. Like this… To be in contention for a coveted medical school place, candidates must first pass the Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admission Test (UMAT), designed and run by the Melbourne-based Australian Council for Educational Research. The UMAT tests skills including problem solving, reasoning, and understanding people.

      This is to ensure you suit the doctor illusion. Like Dr Death.. Mind you ACER makes up the tests to suit the current indoctrination by the schools system/private school rote training. parrot style
      Don’t worry if you don’t understand anatomy. We want good public servant doctors, and we want the to collude

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 05 30 at 08:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. If we are engineered to suit the illusion. Then who’s the model we’re working from?

      What if the engineering illimates jobs?

      Do we now advise Australian workers, we’ve harvested you for the illusion but we don’t need toothpick individual workers anymore or liquid paper makers….

      Who’s illusion of power is determining this/
      Do we select only asian Rote coached learners who are not practical?

      Posted by 1.618 on 2006 05 30 at 08:42 PM • permalink

 

    1. Note well, fellow VRWC minions, this was the Honourable Mistress Andrea being nice.
      See?  If you live long enough, you see EVERYTHING, at least once.

      It’s a trap.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 05 30 at 08:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. richard mcenroe
      I agree, see it brought 1.618 out into the open.

      Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 05 30 at 09:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. Mr Mole / 165

      see it brought 1.618 out into the open.

      I don’t get how that’s supposed to be good news, and anyway how can you tell?  Not from reading her comments, surely?  It’s never worked for me, anyway.

      Posted by Huck Foley on 2006 05 30 at 09:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. I don’t get how that’s supposed to be good news, and anyway how can you tell?

      Huck, you’re missing the nuances

      Posted by daddy dave on 2006 05 30 at 11:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. Few seem to realise that the charities also play a part in he welfare roundbot.

      People on benefits(with kids in tow to teach the new generation)make the rounds of the charities to get help to pay the huge power bills they rack up from being at home all the time,receive cheques for food parcels etc.

      They even receive food hampers and toys for xmas.

      Whose names do you think are on those K-Mart wishing trees??

      Posted by retro on 2006 05 31 at 04:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. #151Thanks for the compliment, kk 🙂

      I know exactly where you’re coming from, though.  This is not somewhere I ever pictured myself, but that’s life for you.

      In any case, I’m just waiting for the first real pay cheques. Not long now, then I can really get stuck into the bludgers because they’ve always got up my nose, too.

      Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 05 31 at 07:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. Nilk – and if such a system wasn’t there, I doubt you’d curl up into a ball and die. It isn’t really hypocritical for people such as yourself to claim benefits, after all what else are you supposed to do? Taxes are so high that one’s ability to make provisions for substantial time off work are severely impaired. The state effectively forces most onto that kind of welfare in such circumstances.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 31 at 07:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. PS. people such as yourself aren’t the problem. It’s those that feel enabled by welfare such as single parent benefits, and consider types like myself who question it utter heretics. Sadly, I’m in the minority.

      If I could perform a direct trade – removal of the welfare state and a concurrent dramatic tax reduction – I would. Realistically, however, these social adjustments must be phased in gradually, and it’s difficult to start somewhere because the demographic with their hands in everyone else’s pockets and those that champion them are a noisy and powerful bunch. They’re quite happy with the status quo.

      Posted by James Waterton on 2006 05 31 at 07:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. 159 Kae

      No alcohol wine.
      Why?

      It’s just wrong.  Not as wrong as ouzo, but still pretty damn wrong.
      I think it’s just something they do to see if they can get away with it.

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 05 31 at 01:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #172

      That’s my point.

      Why drink wine with no alcohol? There is no point.

      Ouzo is OK (ouzo and soda, too). No-alcohol drinks which normally have alcohol – pointless.

      Pina colada – love pineapple, coconut and rum, yum.

      Nilk, I note you haven’t posted on Mr (rabid) Mohammed of the two wives and four kids and three homes, all supported by taxpayers, in Melbourne. I missed it on TT or ACA or whatever it was on. Did you miss it, too?

      Posted by kae on 2006 05 31 at 06:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ouzo is OK (ouzo and soda, too). No-alcohol drinks which normally have alcohol – pointless.

      I have a recipe for no-alcohol ouzo.  Take one full package of black licorice.  Dissolve in one pint of kerosene.  Voila!  Pointless ouzo.  Not for internal consumption, but then neither is the real thing.

      Tee hee.

      Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 06 01 at 10:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. #174

      Stoopy, but doesn’t the liquorice give the kero a funny taste?

      Posted by kae on 2006 06 01 at 06:03 PM • permalink

 

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