23 MILLION PRISONERS

AFP reports:

The US has the world’s largest penal population with some 10 percent of the adult population behind bars.

If true, this means the US prison population would be larger than the population of all but two states. The actual figure is closer to one per cent.

UPDATE. A lefty fell for it.

Posted by Tim B. on 04/21/2008 at 11:35 PM
    1. And, oddly enough, the more people locked up the less crime there is with e.g. the New York Times not understanding how crime can be dropping as the prison population rises. It’s a mystery. (Like how decimal points work.)

      Posted by andycanuck on 2008 04 21 at 11:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. In Australia we call those folk breeding stock.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2008 04 21 at 11:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. Did they borrow Lancet’s calculator again?

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 12:03 AM • permalink

 

    1. By my observations at least half of the population should be locked up at any one time. One per cent is a good start.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 22 at 12:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. In the meantime, Victoria’s Rob Hulls has gone back on an election promise to get rid of suspended sentences, because the prison system wouldn’t be able to cope.  Can we refer him to Julian Burnside as an example of a politician who should be prosecuted for lying, or misleading?

      Posted by cuckoo on 2008 04 22 at 12:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. A lefty fell for it.

      Isn’t that one of the definitions of redundant?

      Posted by yojimbo on 2008 04 22 at 12:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. Speaking of criminals, ABC Radio National has been whining about the big bad US Army allowing people with criminal records to enlist.  On the other hand, ABC progressives will always whine about criminals not being allowed to vote.  I’m confused.

      And O/T, I’m waiting for the leftist howls of outrage at the news that Australia now controls large new areas of its continental shelf, which can be prospected for oil, the sweet black tears of Gaia.

      Posted by cuckoo on 2008 04 22 at 12:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. I hear the train a comin..

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 22 at 12:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. The US has the world’s largest penal population

      Huh-huh… Huh-huh-huh…

      Posted by Dave S. on 2008 04 22 at 12:25 AM • permalink

 

    1. Decimal points are Bush’s fault.

      WHAT?  ABC Radio National never watched The Dirty Dozen?

      Posted by SwampWoman on 2008 04 22 at 12:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. #9

      Shutup dumbass!

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 04 22 at 12:29 AM • permalink

 

    1. 10 percent of the adult population behind bars.

      Technically true, if you include bars on the windows at home and bars which serve alcohol.

      Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 04 22 at 12:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. #12
      THAT many barmaids?

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 12:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. Breaking News: Soap-on-a-Rope sales soar.

      Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 04 22 at 12:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Aunty’ll have to insert some penal implants …

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 12:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Are some of them in for soft crime?

      NSFW

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 12:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. The unaccounted 20.3 million must be sequestered at Gitmo.

      Posted by RichS on 2008 04 22 at 12:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. 23 MILLION PRISONERS …

      Held to ransom by 2020

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 01:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. #3 kae

      Did they borrow Lancet’s calculator again?

      Yes, but it gave them an even more outrageous figure, so they fudged it a bit to make it more believable.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 04 22 at 01:00 AM • permalink

 

    1. Lancet’s calculator

      The one that requires punching the info in 3 times … with a cluebat?

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 01:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. In fact, looking at that population by state list, maybe AFP thinks that all of Texas is one big penal colony.

      Posted by PW on 2008 04 22 at 01:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, I am sure that AFP would be mystified that Texans aren’t all incarcerated.

      Posted by SwampWoman on 2008 04 22 at 01:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. How precious!  He called you “anal retentive pond scum” just because you’re all into facts and decimal points and other tools of oppression.

      I would love to have seen the Innumerate Lefty back when he was just a little Innumerate Lefty in math class.

      Posted by Ricardo on 2008 04 22 at 01:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. The fellow is wrong again, as in his update he implies that “Bush” had something to do with increasing prison populations – this is in fact almost entirely a state and local matter. The vast majority of prisoners in the US are held by states and localities, not by the Federal government. Rates of incarceration also vary widely among the states, driven mostly by local conditions and politics. The people demand that criminals be jailed, and in the US, unlike certain European states, there is still enough democracy that the popular will sometimes prevails.

      And the rate of increase under “Bush” is no different than under “Clinton”, not that either of them had much to do with it.

      And the AFP, in the report he links –

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200605/s1643973.htm

      is grossly wrong in saying that 2/3 of prisoners in the US are held in federal prisons. Its less than 10%.

      Posted by luis on 2008 04 22 at 01:51 AM • permalink

 

    1. #7; so oil is the “sweet black tears of gaia”? That would make coal the black poo and uranium the glow in the dark poo.

      mmmm, pond scum.

      Posted by cohenite on 2008 04 22 at 02:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. Lefty can’t spell either.  Note the poll in the top right hand corner.  The second answer includes the word “traiter”.

      Definitions include:

      to treat in a particular way
      Example: Never handle animals roughly.

      Sounds appropriate enough.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 22 at 02:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. With due respect to present company, in my experience I’ve found that most journalists (and lawyers, for that matter) are functionally arithmetically and numerically illiterate

      Posted by murph on 2008 04 22 at 02:28 AM • permalink

 

    1. The mistake would never have been the other way around i.e. “with some 0.1 percent of the adult population behind bars”.

      Posted by murph on 2008 04 22 at 02:30 AM • permalink

 

    1. 50% of the adult population behind bras?

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 02:33 AM • permalink

 

    1. Maybe they meant “in bars” and not “behind bars”?

      Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2008 04 22 at 02:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. #29 egg

      50% of the adult population behind bras?

      Nah—the whole world knows that the US is just one big Gulag.  Right?  So it would have to be 150% of the adult population behind bars.  Yes that sounds much better.  All fixed now.

      Posted by Wand on 2008 04 22 at 02:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. Ten percent is obviously one of those figures the left just makes up because it sounds good. A lot of that seems to go on on that side of politics.

      #4 Infidel, One percent is about the correct figure (as long as you are locking up the right one percent). A little while ago someone posted this link to Romeo Mike’s blog. It summarises studies on teenage male crime and it seems that about seven percent are chronic offenders and about ten percent of these were “super predators” and were responsible for most of the crime (and continue to be criminals later in life). This comes to about one percent of the total population.

      The obvious conclusion is that if we identify and lock up the one percent who are super predators for several decades at a time then we could drastically reduce crime overall.

      (And, no, I don’t particularly care about their civil rights.)

      Posted by Burbank on 2008 04 22 at 02:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. Correction – behind bras….

      Posted by Wand on 2008 04 22 at 02:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. #29; egg_; your estimate may be too low; you forget this;

      And tis should not be discounted.

      Posted by cohenite on 2008 04 22 at 02:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. #34 🙂
      Looks like the Lefty made a tit of himself …

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 04:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. His irrational, emotional side took over, which I’m sure is the normal occurrence and he rushed to tell all his loyal followers of another astounding breakthrough in the fight against the evil US of A.

      Maybe even now…he’s still gloating in the aftermath as the supporting emails flood in, congratulating him on his investigative genius.

      I want to be there amongst them all when the truth becomes evident.

      Hear that silence; nearly as good as poking my head out of the living room window and listening to NZ after a Wallaby win.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 04 22 at 04:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. 50% of the adult popoulation may be in bras, but the other 50% are trying to get them out of bras.

      Posted by Big Arnie on 2008 04 22 at 04:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. I love his final comment:

      “Is he scared?”

      Bwa hahahaha!!!

      And really, howardout.blogspot? Isn’t it time to… moveon?

      Posted by Kobaal on 2008 04 22 at 05:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. The difference between the US and the Australia is that 1% of Americans are in jail and 1% of Australians should be. Get your head kicked in by a thug in Australia and he will be back on the street before you are out of hospital.

      Posted by Contrail on 2008 04 22 at 05:16 AM • permalink

 

    1. Yahoo has a news poll:

      Do you believe global warming is real:
      55% It’s real, caused by humans
      34% It’s real, but natural
      11% It’s not real

      http://au.news.yahoo.com/

      Maybe some sensible TimBlair readers would like vote and have their views recorded too… 😉

      Posted by Baron on 2008 04 22 at 05:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. #40 Baron

      Vote’s a crock. You can vote multiple times. So the umpty-gazillion ‘it is all our fault’ retards are probably 24 bong-addled neocommie latte-sippers ‘speaking truth to power’ in between bouts with their pet goats.

      Either that or it is Julia Gillard doing the only thing she can outside of Krudd’s micro-management.

      MarkL
      canberra

      Posted by MarkL on 2008 04 22 at 05:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. Then:
      “Can you believe that? One in ten US adults is in jail! That’s just absurd. No, it’s worse that absurd – it’s criminal! How do you boast of having a functioning Democracy when one in ten adults is in jail?”Now:
      ” … one percent … That is still an absolute disgrace.”From criminal to an absolute disgrace in nine percentage points. How do lefties come up with these calibrations? What would one in nine be? One in seven? One in five? O

      Would one in a million be any better? No, because it’s America. This from a site calling for ‘war criminals to be brought to account’ and presumably jailed. God forbid.

      The left-wing mind must be difficult to switch off at night.

      Posted by ilibcc on 2008 04 22 at 06:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. Wow, that lefty site was creepy… so few shoulders, so many chips.

      Posted by Big Jim on 2008 04 22 at 06:07 AM • permalink

 

    1. OT: Tony Snow is going to CNN?

      Posted by Retread on 2008 04 22 at 06:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. #40
      It’s real, caused by humans
      55%  7753 votes
      It’s real, but natural
      34%  4798 votes
      It’s not real
      11%  1610 votes
      Left have been clicking.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 22 at 07:17 AM • permalink

 

    1. All F‘d Press

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 22 at 07:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. #44 Lyle can do better than that. Much better.

      I’ve never seen Larry King gush before but tonight when announcing Snow’s arrival at CNN, while Snow was listening, Larry became very animated. This Snow must be good!! Look out you non believers.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 04 22 at 07:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. Isn’t it time for one of the old staples of left wing news reporting and opinionating, “Prison numbers still rising despite fall in crime”.

      Posted by Ross on 2008 04 22 at 08:02 AM • permalink

 

    1. #40
      Me on another computer. Get to vote again.
      Do you believe global warming is real?
      Thanks for voting 14819 votes
      since Apr 21 2008
      It’s real, caused by humans
      55%  8120 votes
      It’s real, but natural
      34%  5001 votes
      It’s not real
      11%  1698 votes
      Left have been clicking again.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 22 at 08:08 AM • permalink

 

    1. Dirty Dozen? Try Dirty Gross.

      Posted by Nicholas on 2008 04 22 at 08:41 AM • permalink

 

    1. You get the feeling he’ll be dining off the fact Tim linked to him for months on end.

      “Tim Blair made me look like complete twat and I’m proud of it”

      Posted by the nailgun on 2008 04 22 at 08:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. Did anyone make a joke yet about it being a mistake, it should actually had said the US has the population with the world’s largest penises?

      Okay, I’ve edit it myself.  There’s probably a reason no one bothered.  Damn, I need a writer.

      Posted by wronwright on 2008 04 22 at 08:43 AM • permalink

 

    1. #45 Stackja1945

      They wouldn’t have to do surveys if they just took a scientific approach, and that does not mean surveying scientists – particularly geneticists and palaeo-anthropologists.

      Are they really trying to say AGW is real if most people say it is?

      They are the new flat-earthers.

      BTW David Suzuki being a geneticist, and Dim Flannery studying human origins: It is like Marvel Comics where characters (such as the Hulk) study a science hoping to find a cure for themselves. I wish them luck – their mutant selves are a royal pain.

      Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 04 22 at 08:45 AM • permalink

 

    1. Completely O/T, I’m PMKEYS8540840 and I report to 23 Sqn on bloody Anzac Day- how’s that for timing?

      Posted by Habib on 2008 04 22 at 08:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. BTW I’m hoping the dysentry problem has been sorted in the mess by the weekend, eh wot?

      Posted by Habib on 2008 04 22 at 08:54 AM • permalink

 

    1. #54
      Habib, it’s a test. You know it’s a test to see how keen you are…Judging by the two storms which have come through here tonight, you may not have to drive so far to 23Sqn; the wind will have blown Amberley closer to Brisbane!!
      (It’s storming now)

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 08:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. Well, if there are this many bartenders, it must mean that there’s a great demand for liquor in the U.S. So, we’ve obviously got a tremendous drinking problem in our country. What we probably need to do…Hold on a sec, there’s the telephone.

      (Hello? Yo, Michael Lonie! What’s going on, Professor? How’s that alternative proof of Fermat’s last theorem coming along? Huh? The author meant people behind prison bars? Not bartenders? Oh, man! Talk about egg on my face. How do I finesse this one? Yeah…uh, huh…Great! Thanks, Mike!)

      Drinks are on Wronwright!

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 08:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #53
      Are they really trying to say <insert left agenda item> is real if most people say it is?

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 22 at 08:58 AM • permalink

 

    1. Incidentally, when I become President, I will be nominating sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona to head up the Department of Justice.

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 09:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. ALP denied access to McEwen votes

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 22 at 09:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. #32 – excellent link, Burbank.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 22 at 09:11 AM • permalink

 

    1. It’s one of Tim Flannery’s predictions!!!!!!

      We’all goooonnnaaaaa die!!!!!

      Posted by Habib on 2008 04 22 at 09:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. That goddam storm’s bigger that the state defecit! Sheeeit Kae, We’all’s gonna be blown inter Moreton Bay, fer sure! It must have been a chillin’ of global warmin’, fer sure! Them smarty pants in Canbererer tol’ us jus’ this’ a few days ‘yor! Don’ know ‘bout you, but I’s scarerd!!

      Posted by Habib on 2008 04 22 at 09:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Habib, I dunno how anyone’s supposed to sleep with all the banging and crashing, pouring rain on the tin roof and the flashing lights.

      It’s a bit like a rave party… I think.

      Bloody Tim Flannery.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 09:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Check out the Energex Lightning Tracker…

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 09:37 AM • permalink

 

    1. #53; Marvel comics are great; I’ve got some early Incredible Hulks’, Spiderman, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and X-Men from the 60’s; I think Jean Grey’s powers would deal with the greens best, but then, the Invisible Girl’s power to make other people invisible may be just the thing to disorientate the tree-huggers. I’ve gone off Woverine ever since that twot jackman played him.

      Posted by cohenite on 2008 04 22 at 09:44 AM • permalink

 

    1. Where do you think we get our soylent green?

      Posted by fresca on 2008 04 22 at 09:50 AM • permalink

 

    1. Lefty says:
      “I challenge his minions to look through my blog and find any other such glaring factual (factual!) errors. I’ll wager they are few and far between.”Challenge accepted!One word search later …

      “So I guess we won’t see George Dubya handing out plastic turkeys in that cafeteria anytime soon!”

      Why are lefties so sooooooo stupid?

      Posted by Vincent Gerome on 2008 04 22 at 09:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. #68: Lefty throws down gauntlet. Vincent picks up same and smacks him silly with it. Well done.

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 09:59 AM • permalink

 

    1. #40 Baron

      Yahoo has a news poll:

      Do you believe global warming is real?

      They left off the most likely answer:

      4. It’s a politically-driven hoax.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 04 22 at 10:23 AM • permalink

 

    1. “…one MILLION dollars!”
      —Dr. Evil

      Posted by mojo on 2008 04 22 at 10:24 AM • permalink

 

    1. #68 Vincent

      Challenge accepted!

      One word search later …

      ::SLAP::

      Left himself wide open for that one, he did. What a dope.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 04 22 at 10:26 AM • permalink

 

    1. A little over half of this prison population is in jail for drug crimes, including possession of marijuana.  In the 1990s, marijuana use/possession was the single most pursued offense by American law enforcement agents.  Some states still have mandatory minimum sentences for first time possession of marijuana.  You can say what you want about pot heads, but I question whether this is an efficient use of law enforcement and court system resources.

      Posted by Mystery Meat on 2008 04 22 at 10:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. If one cannot catch order of magnitude errors without trying too hard, maybe one needs to get out a little more.  There’s an old aphorism about things too good to be true.  It has a corollary about things too bad to be true as well.

      Posted by charles austin on 2008 04 22 at 10:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. Here’s another one:

      Sex, Power, Greed, Mortality

      Links to story.  Rants about story.  Discovers story is not true.

      Decides his rant is too important not to be taken down.  Pleads “fake but accurate.”

      Am I the only one noticing a pattern to this fellow?

      Posted by Ricardo on 2008 04 22 at 10:38 AM • permalink

 

    1. Too bad it’s a “no comment zone” blog, eh?

      Posted by andycanuck on 2008 04 22 at 11:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. How about Arpaio in John Bolton’s cabinet?

      Obviously, there aren’t enough criminals in prison, or the crime rate would be lower.

      Posted by rightwingprof on 2008 04 22 at 11:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. I humbly suggest that President Paco appoint Arnold “Toe Cutter” Cunningham as Secretary of the newly-formed Department of Outrageous Atrocities and Oppressing the Natives.

      Posted by mojo on 2008 04 22 at 11:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. #23

      “…He called you “anal retentive pond scum”

      I’ve wondered what the opposite of “anal retentive” was; it must be “anal releasive”, and the proof is that measly blog itself.

      Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 04 22 at 11:42 AM • permalink

 

    1. #75

      Am I the only one noticing a pattern to this fellow?

      It seems to be a common affliction among our leftist friends.

      Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 04 22 at 11:52 AM • permalink

 

    1. But there’s Timmeh waiting to pounce on my mistake.

      I have a hard time picturing Tim sitting there glued to his computer monitor –  sleepless, for days on end, like some Hong Kong foreign exchange trader – waiting to capitalize on Lefty’s mistakes. In the first place, Tim wouldn’t have to wait long; seems like one can just drop in over there anytime and catch the guy screwing up. And in the second place…well, the fellow’s capacity to instruct and elevate is a tad limited, and I doubt that many people read him, except for a few close family members and a sprinkling of non-discriminating hysterics, so there’s not a lot of inherent interest in his maunderings, save for a little comic relief.

      BTW, do pond scum have anuses? I merely ask…

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 12:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. #78 Mojo: I am unfamiliar with this splendid-sounding citizen. Can you furnish some background?

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 12:13 PM • permalink

 

    1. #52 wronwright

      538 of them are in washington dc

      Posted by missred on 2008 04 22 at 12:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. #74,
      A great many people seem to have broken “common sense” detectors.  Something stating that 10% of Americans are in jail should have sent that thing pinging like a Cate Blanchett pinball machine in an amorous Rudd’s game room.

      Posted by MikeTheLibrarian on 2008 04 22 at 12:36 PM • permalink

 

    1. #82 paco: I’ll get them too you just as soon as I finish ginning up reviewing the documentation. Can’t be too careful with an important Cabinet post like this.

      P.S.: How do you spell “exterminated”?

      Posted by mojo on 2008 04 22 at 01:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’ve wondered what the opposite of “anal retentive” was…”

      Anal explosive.

      Posted by Mystery Meat on 2008 04 22 at 01:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Am I the only one noticing a pattern to this fellow?

      Let me point out that his “Links” category includes such noteworthy blogs like “Juan Cole”, “Antony Loewenstein”, “John Quiggin”, and [drum roll] …. “Jeremy Sears”.

      Need I say more?

      Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 04 22 at 02:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. #87 RJ: That’s quite an “honor roll” the guy’s got there. Anti-American, anti-semitic, anti-conservative…is there anything he’s left out?

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 03:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yes.  I confess.  I am a prisoner.

      Every day I am dragged out of bed at a ridiculous hour, forced to trudge to a depressing building where I am abused at random by people over whom I have no power, and poorly fed under apalling conditions.

      Oh, wait, that’s work.

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 04 22 at 03:23 PM • permalink

 

    1. #89 Richard: At Paco Enterprises, those are “The Three Pillars of Human Resources Management”.

      Posted by paco on 2008 04 22 at 03:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. #42 The left-wing mind must be difficult to switch off at night.

      Their little minds are always off.

      Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 04 22 at 04:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. #39, this seems to be increasingly happening.

      Do you suppose the victim of an attack, if s/he attacked the attacker, would receive similarly lenient sentences?

      Posted by carpefraise on 2008 04 22 at 04:47 PM • permalink

 

    1. Incidentally, the title of this post should probably be “30 MILLION PRISONERS.”  The US population is over 303 million as of this afternoon.

      Also, if we did have that many people incarcerated, then 230 murders a year in the most vicious 10% of our population would make jails a good bit safer than being on the streets.  Certainly safer than the streets of Chicago, were 29 people were killed over the weekend.

      Posted by charles austin on 2008 04 22 at 04:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. paco wrote:

      #68: Lefty throws down gauntlet. Vincent picks up same and smacks him silly with it. Well done.

      Filled with a brick, like in that Bugs Bunny cartoon. 🙂

      Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 04 22 at 05:08 PM • permalink

 

    1. Anyone check the guy’s sitemeter? He barely breaks 200 page views per day, all month. Then, with one link from Tim, it jumps to 1500.

      That’s at least a gain of, uh, um, over 10%.

      Posted by lumberjack on 2008 04 22 at 05:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. #65 – kae, I didn’t know that any of the users of this lightning detection system made this kind of thing public until now.  I installed this stuff for a public authority some years ago – fascinating bit of kit.

      One thing we were told about the lightning detection system is that it is accurate to something like 5m in areas where they have a reasonably density of detectors (I may be an order of magnitude out here).  The bit that got me is that insurance companies supposedly use it when examining claims for storm damage – particularly blown TV’s and the like.  Or crop fires that farmers report.  If they see a bolt struck your house, they’ll pay for the TV on the spot.  If not, you might have all previous claims examined for fraud.

      It’s great for watching storm cells rolling in across Sydney – what really got me is that almost every one of them goes straight over the top of Sydney airport.  If they had a system like this 80 years ago, they never would have put the airport where it is.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 22 at 05:31 PM • permalink

 

    1. PS – if you are feeling geeky this morning and want to know about lightning detection, here’s a link to the mob that sell the detection systems.

      Oh, and I was 2 orders of magnitude out when I said 5m.  Better get meself a job at Lancet.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 22 at 05:37 PM • permalink

 

    1. Best lightning detector for the money: an AM radio.

      Posted by mojo on 2008 04 22 at 05:48 PM • permalink

 

    1. #98 – mojo, that’s what the lightning detection systems actually use.  They have a network of radio recievers, and they simply triangulate the strikes.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 22 at 05:52 PM • permalink

 

    1. #96 Mr Creosote

      It’s great for watching storm cells rolling in across Sydney – what really got me is that almost every one of them goes straight over the top of Sydney airport.  If they had a system like this 80 years ago, they never would have put the airport where it is.

      Isn’t that called 2020?

      ahem

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 05:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. #98

      Best lightning detector for the money: an AM radio.

      Driving home yesterday afternoon the snaps and crackles were thick and fast. I heard a crackle and there in front of me I could see a lightning flash, about 50ks away, around about Toowoomba.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 05:58 PM • permalink

 

    1. #100 kae

      If we had a proper network of bullshit detectors and a system that plotted bullshit pronouncements on a web map, 2020 would have lit up like a bright red blob.  Think infrared photo of a volcano.

      Posted by mr creosote on 2008 04 22 at 06:02 PM • permalink

 

    1. I’m not reading or hearing the same sort of language applied to the Canberra government’s security measures today as we experienced around APEC. Ring of Steel, Virtual Lockdown, Methods Developed In Response to Refugees/Terrorists, Crushing of Dissent? Will the Chasers be there, and if so whose credibility will they be undermining? Unlikely that our media will throw anything so tacky at the loopy left ACT mates. Different if Howard was in charge.

      Posted by blogstrop on 2008 04 22 at 06:50 PM • permalink

 

    1. O/T but not really,

      “Best and brightest” say they were conned

      RAOTFLMAO

      yeah, whateva.

      Posted by kae on 2008 04 22 at 07:01 PM • permalink

 

    1. OT again: Tony Snow was hospitalized this morning.

      Posted by Retread on 2008 04 22 at 07:04 PM • permalink

 

    1. Tell me if I am being over-senstitive, but I have detected a certain degree of scepticism, or at least – a tendency to quibble – among some commentators here about the practical value of the 2020 summit.

      Well, cop this quibblers! One of the major aims of the Summit is already close to fruition!

      All thanks to Kevin Rudd for returning sight to the blind.

      Posted by Margos Maid on 2008 04 22 at 07:11 PM • permalink

 

    1. O/T

      Saw doco on Robert McNamara “The Fog of War” on the Soccer Broadcasting Service last night. Sorry no link or podcast.

      Amazing intellect. Remarkable fellow.

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 22 at 07:14 PM • permalink

 

    1. Since no one else will:
      23 Sqn RAAFAlso an Association.Cheers

      Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2008 04 22 at 07:32 PM • permalink

 

    1. #104
      Interesting comments on the Bolta 2020 threads, re the friendly ‘facilitators’  cattle-prodding the genii in the direction of certain conclusions (Jackman entertained unwittingly as the Titanic was sinking?)Let a thousand flowers bloom, comrade …

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 07:33 PM • permalink

 

    1. #106 Margos

      All thanks to Kevin for returning sight to the blind

      And hair to the bald

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 22 at 07:34 PM • permalink

 

    1. #93 The figures reflected adult prisoners which is 230million. 303 million is total population.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 04 22 at 07:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. Early morning mistake. The jail figures reflected are a % of the total adult population. 303 million is all people.

      Posted by mehaul on 2008 04 22 at 07:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. #106 Margos – don’t laugh, a newsbreak on our local commercial TV station last night reported pretty much that ‘the bionic eye proposed at the 2020 summit was soon to be available’. Whether intentional or not the report made a very strong link between Kev’s wankfest and the fact that the Australian bionic eye project is close to fruition.
      Obviously it was hardly a new idea if the boffins have been working on this for many years anyway such that they are shortly to start permanent implants in people but to link this to dear leader is taking Kevinism to a whole new level.

      Posted by Harold on 2008 04 22 at 07:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. 104 Kae

      The only thing you could hope to come out of 2020 is the 500 or so people duped will bear a grudge. They came to Canberra at their own expense because they honestly believed Rudd was interested. They left just as many predicted – used and discarded, their ideas in the bin and their signatures on something they didn’t agree to or even discuss.

      This anger will swell when they realise that key figures in this deception, people such as Cate Blanchett and the Rev Tim Costello, were paid to be there.

      And what are the odds of Tim Costello standing as a celebrity Labor candidate in 2010? Pretty good I thought after his performance on Sunday. The only thing that would be an impediment is that Costello does live high on the hog off World Vision. It’s why it isn’t on my charity list.

      Posted by Contrail on 2008 04 22 at 08:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. #108
      From previous, cold war pre-TFR SAC sustained Mach 2 (30 min plus) Hustler in one of its (many unbroken) records: @700mph @ max. 500 feet.IIRC the limitations of the Mach 2++ razor-thin wings, as in the Starfighter, were sacrificed in successors (as weapons platforms); replacement low-level ‘Aardvark’s’ extended nose for TFR capability as it was deemed too expensive to adapt the Hustler.User now has a full doco series on all of its trophy wins; many of the record-breaking crew(s) went on to fly the Mach 3 SR-71 Blackbird.

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 08:10 PM • permalink

 

    1. Actually, the best lightning detector is an umbrella.

      I didn’t say it was an early detector…

      Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 04 22 at 08:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. #114
      Cate Blanchett’s ass will get a seat too.

      Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 04 22 at 08:24 PM • permalink

 

    1. #107
      Tks, found a p2p source 🙂
      Modern day Sun Tzu

      Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 08:49 PM • permalink

 

    1. Well, sure, but we imprison children too, so why have they been left out?

      You know, I’ll bet a higher percentage of fit people are found in prisons than in the general population.  So, what inferences can wee draw from that?

      Posted by charles austin on 2008 04 22 at 08:56 PM • permalink

 

    1. #118 egg

      McNamara’s Eleven Lessons:

      1. Empathize with your enemy.
      2. Rationality will not save us.
      3. There’s something beyond one’s self.
      4. Maximize efficiency.
      5. Proportionality should be a guideline in war.
      6. Get the data.
      7. Belief and seeing are both often wrong.
      8. Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning.
      9. In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil.
      10. Never say never.
      11. You can’t change human nature.

      Posted by Pickles on 2008 04 22 at 09:14 PM • permalink

 

  1. #120 tks pickles
    Good wiki ref

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 04 22 at 09:25 PM • permalink